re: Vice President Vance White House Press Briefing: Confirming Media Lies

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I love this line of thought. It’s so simplistic. So binary. ANY agreement with Iran means they have the upper hand?

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Yes, it does. So, begin mentally preparing yourself for that reality.

It's not my reality, and apparently not yours either. But to a lot of people, mostly democrats and TDS sufferers, any concession to Iran, and I mean any concession whatsoever, will be viewed as a loss regardless of what they concede to us. The media will report it at such as well. There will be a widespread belief that this war was lost if we give any concession whatsoever to Iran, facts and actual outcome be damned.

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It's not my reality, and apparently not yours either. But to a lot of people, mostly democrats and TDS sufferers, any concession to Iran, and I mean any concession whatsoever, will be viewed as a loss regardless of what they concede to us. The media will report it at such as well. There will be a widespread belief that this war was lost if we give any concession whatsoever to Iran, facts and actual outcome be damned.

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Some of us remember the unconditional surrender point of this war

So you watched the presser, and that's our takeaway?

poor fella.

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And every substantive term in it is retarded and a failure when compared to our stated goals.

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I, for one, will concede that the stated goals were poorly communicated from the start. It felt like the question of stated goals was asked, and there was a rush to a definitive answer. And then to revise the answer. And then to revise again. This was handled poorly because imo, there were many reasons to be involved in this war. None were properly communicated.

In my opinion, which admittedly means nothing, Trumps goal has always been to get Iran to start playing nice with their neighbors and the rest of the world, and to become a peaceful, productive, and prosperous country. He doesn't care who's in charge in the end. He has never had genuine interest in destroying them or keeping them pinned down for eternity. And this fits right in with how he's conducted his business all his life.

So, let's assume Iran chooses to take a more righteous path (big assumption, I get it). But let's assume that anyway. Along with that, let's assume we don't achieve any of the "stated goals" along the way. Did we win or lose?

I say we win if that happens. And the only debate left is whether we "covered the spread" or not, so to speak.

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and it's really those pesky Democrat's fault for...reasons.

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Well, if you're going to be fully honest, much of it IS the democrat's fault. The democrats have been Iran's greatest leverage by far. It's democrats who signal to Iran that all they have to do is keep resisting.

There are ways of disagreeing with a president's decision to go to war, other than the way democrats have gone about it. They've intentionally weakened our president's leverage. We still have way more leverage than they do, but nonetheless, democrats have aided Iran in a hug way throughout this whole ordeal.

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From what I perceive: -Obama tried to hand over $1B with no accountability required -The war was absolutely necessary to destroy nuclear infrastructure and weaken them militarily -The MOU is performance based and therefore cannot be judged as a good or bad idea -The $300B will not be handed over in cash and instead represents investment and the MOU allows for oversight of how it is spent Trump forced them to the table while they would have preferred another option. The "deal" is now a roadmap which both sides will attempt to control.

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This may be the only accurate post in this thread. Also, according to JD Vance, the 300B isn’t a one time payment. If Iran does everything correctly it could still take years to decades to receive all of it. And they also can’t fund their proxies

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I like the idea of U.S. and U.S. allies making private investments in Iran. $300 billion of private investment would basically give the U.S. and its allies major control and influence over Iran.

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You were the kid that was bullied for lunch money. Tell your offspring that trying to pay the bully off only makes him want more.

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Well George, you’re so friggin smart. What would you have done in Iran? Would you have sent in ground troops to take out the leadership or would you have just blown up everything including the innocent civilians. What would you have done George differently than what Trump did since you are a international political scholar.

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There were lots of options beyond that. Screw the ceasefire that only the US obeyed, continue the blockade and capture their oil fleet outside of their waters. Bomb their energy facilities. For ground troops, let Saudi or UAE put their troops on the other side of the strait to open it up, why does it have to be ours?

Instead we went with give them $300bb to make them stop. Maybe $1 trillion would have been better, more control am I right??

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I can separate being critical of the operation, which I was, with what is the best path going forward at this time. Opening up Iran's country to Arabian and U.S. investment is as good a route as I have heard, but that doesn't mean its the best - are you aware of something better?

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Obviously we could just go wipe out 20 million people to get them to bend to our absolute will. I'm sure that's what these pansy democrats want.

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Our own people would never allow what was necessary to achieve clear victory, so get out with the best possible outcome that you can.

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This is the most correct statement so far in this thread