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re: Vermin going after George Washington

Posted on 2/16/20 at 11:52 am to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 11:52 am to
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discredit their document(s)

Everything is open to investigation and criticism. The founders knew the documents they created weren't perfect, and hoped, that in time, generations would help to refine them.

After all, originally, only land-owning white men could vote. And they were legally allowed to hold other humans in bondage. We've come a long way through our investigations and criticisms. The true patriot questions everything.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22433 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 11:54 am to
Exactly. After Vietnam fell, the Marxists went so far as to bulldoze the graveyards of soldiers that had died while fighting for the ARVN. They wanted them destroyed and wiped from people's view and memory.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
142485 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:04 pm to
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the male gaze of other biographers has distorted our impressions of the first president
I remember the first time I heard this term, at LSU in the late '80s.

A chick I knew heard her prof use it and she started parroting him
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13501 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:27 pm to
She should be fired for being an admitted misandrist sexist pig!
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she claims, the male gaze of other biographers has distorted our impressions of the first president into something that is both less accurate and less interesting
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:55 pm to
This painting was placed on the ceiling of the Capitol rotunda in 1865.



“The Apotheosis of Washington.”. Literally, “The Elevation of Washington to Godhood.”

The vast majority of historical work regarding Washington was written while looking through that lens.

There is nothing wrong with attempting a more objective analysis. He will still be a great man and patriot ... just more human.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9455 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:14 pm to
If we re-write history with only females as the heroes the left would still be made that there weren't enough tranny heroes.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35626 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:18 pm to


Yawn, people have warts.

Other biographers have covered Washington extensively, they didn't just write...."OMG, greatest guy ever, he's perfect, he's Jesus in America!"

This woman just wants attention for probably a shitty book that's just about to come out.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
37911 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:23 pm to
Washington is the one man I don’t want touched by this bullshite (I mean I don’t want any of them smeared, but he should be untouchable).
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112734 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:26 pm to
That has nothing to do with the article.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:36 pm to
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There is nothing wrong with attempting a more objective analysis. He will still be a great man and patriot ... just more human.



Absolutely. But I don't know if this is that book. The article mentioned that Chernow's book on Washington had no direct citations with regards to Washington's mother. If that is true, and the book does have citations which can complicate and explain that relationship, that is an ultimate good. But depending on what view the historian takes can color a lot of that relationship, which is where the predisposed ideology of the author comes into play. My view is that this book is attempting to make "history" fun, which is a terrible way of introducing people to the process by which history is written. There are multiple ways you can explore a historical topic, but if the aim is specifically with an ideology in mind, then it makes it difficult to approach any historical topic, as the lens by which the source documents are interpreted are colored by concerns which are fashionable for a period, but don't make for good works of history.

I've read many works by historians who do lots of good work pointing out the biases in source documentation, about how much we can trust that documentation, and to what degree a source is dependable in its point of view. From reading this article, this book doesn't give me the impression that it will be a dispassionate analysis of that documentation, but rather will attempt to paint a portrait which says more about the author and time period than it does about the historical artifact in question.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10151 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:42 pm to
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there’s just a lack of interest in issues outside of his masculinity, outside of military endeavors, outside of the ‘great man’ history

Well yeah, I'm not really interested in what the man had for breakfast.
Posted by just1dawg
Virginia
Member since Dec 2011
1484 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:44 pm to
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George Washington risked life and all that he owned, he left his wife and his farm in order to deliver the nation from a demanding European overlord. The list is short indeed when naming people who have done more than George Washington for the USA.


His gorgeous farm, you might say. Mount Vernon is in a beautiful location high above the Potomac.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64484 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:47 pm to
There is a vast history written of GW no where near that painting and you know it.

But bloviate onwards!
Posted by Tiger Roux
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
4939 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:59 pm to
I am surprised after the success of the statues in New Orleans, they have not moved on to street names and former President Jackson.
Posted by messyjesse
Member since Nov 2015
2036 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:12 pm to
I hate the phrase "take on" in this context, like it's some call to arms, some battle cry, some empowering message.

"She takes on hundreds of biographers"

"Takes on Washington"

"Takes on the Founding Fathers"

No. You're typing a biography from your laptop while mooching the wifi and sipping your latte at Starbucks.

The most difficult decision this woman makes every single day is what pair of shoes to wear. If she had to "take on" any situation with even 1/10th of the consequence of the decisions that Washington had to make, she would fold up faster than a cheap tent.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56460 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:59 pm to
Just run a search for this woman's name and it's headline after headline of pubs promoting this shite.

CNN: Nearly everything you thought you knew about George Washington is wrong

Boston Globe: In ‘You Never Forget Your First,’ Alexis Coe offers a fresh look at a president without precedent

Inside Hook: Alexis Coe Knows George Washington Isn't Getting Canceled

Time: New George Washington Biography Aims to Change 'Dad History'

Smithsonian: A New Book About George Washington Breaks All the Rules on How to Write About George Washington: Alexis Coe’s cheeky biography of the first president pulls no punches

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