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re: Vance's solution to the rising cost of child care...
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:50 am to deathvalleytiger10
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:50 am to deathvalleytiger10
I’m honestly confused by what he's proposing. On one hand, he's saying we need to empower people by giving them the skills for childcare, which I totally agree with. But then he turns around and say the government shouldn’t require certifications? How exactly do we ensure that childcare providers are properly trained without some basic standards? And you want them to learn these skills and then pay them $9.00 per hour.
What actual policy proposals is he advocating for here? Because right now, it sounds like he's just talking in circles.
What actual policy proposals is he advocating for here? Because right now, it sounds like he's just talking in circles.
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:51 am to rwestmore7
Where I’m from this is a commonplace practice
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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You simply defend one
Whataboutism..
I talk about the negatives of Harris plan, you come in with “what about Trumps Tarriffs”.
You don’t agree with the liberals, but you just feel the need to always defend their policies, often in this manner.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:53 am to rwestmore7
quote:How much education does it take to basically babysit kids?
Oh I gotcha he wants less trained people watching our kids with less regulation making them less safe at daycare, more prone to abuse and neglect.
I don’t know much about qualifications for being a daycare worker, but if it requires some intensive education, that seems a bit excessive and expensive.
They’re fricking babysitters for Gods sake.
It seems like passing a criminal background check and a few references should be all that’s required.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:53 am to Dawgfanman
This Grandpa is broke and struggling to make it, wish I was in a position to help but just can't
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:54 am to bhtigerfan
Vance is the one who said they need more training
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:57 am to Dawgfanman
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I talk about the negatives of Harris plan, you come in with “what about Trumps Tarriffs”.
I also said
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I don't support either redistribution effort.
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You don’t agree with the liberals, but you just feel the need to always defend their policies
I clearly said I didn't support either redistribution effort. How is that supporting the DEM plan?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:57 am to rwestmore7
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child care is still unaffordable.
Start living within your means. if you say that things are so expensive now, that's you and people like you who voted in this administration. Stop whining about it!
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:59 am to rwestmore7
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A whataboutism is a rhetorical tactic where someone deflects criticism or a question by pointing out something unrelated or by accusing the other side of similar behavior. Instead of addressing the issue at hand, the person shifts the focus to a different topic, often to avoid directly confronting the original argument.
For example, if someone criticizes a political figure for wrongdoing and the response is, "Well, what about this other person who did something bad too?" that would be a whataboutism. It's often seen as an attempt to distract from the issue rather than engage with it.
So the Democrat playbook number one tactic, got it.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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I clearly said I didn't support either redistribution effort. How is that supporting the DEM plan?
Whataboutism is a form of support. If you didn’t feel a need to support it, why post about tariffs in a thread about childcare costs?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:00 am to rwestmore7
What's laughable is what fantasy world you consider as "reality"
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:00 am to Dawgfanman
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Whataboutism is a form of support.
No it's not.
I even added the qualifier so that people like you wouldn't melt.
Yet, here you are.
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If you didn’t feel a need to support it, why post about tariffs in a thread about childcare costs?
I'm pointing out the insincerity in people who support Trump attacking redistribution efforts, while promoting the intellectual consistency of rejecting both.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:01 am to rwestmore7
quote:No you dumbfrick, he said make it easier to open daycare centers.
Vance is the one who said they need more training
Apparently Big Gov (which you are a supporter of) makes it very difficult to license and operate daycare centers.
He literally said to cut government red tape to make it easier for people to be daycare workers.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:01 am to notsince98
The question was how to lower cost…
How does having a relative pay lower the cost… it just distributes the cost so the answer is stupid.. he thinks you need a six year degree to work at a day care making 10-14 dollars an hour..
I agree with all the comments about family helping.. and also no more taxes.. but the replies do not answer the question and comments about masters degree to change diapers does show how out of touch he and willing to just dump out stupid thoughts.
He is just another politician ( any party).. throwing out thoughts passing threw his head at the moment with no real plans.
How does having a relative pay lower the cost… it just distributes the cost so the answer is stupid.. he thinks you need a six year degree to work at a day care making 10-14 dollars an hour..
I agree with all the comments about family helping.. and also no more taxes.. but the replies do not answer the question and comments about masters degree to change diapers does show how out of touch he and willing to just dump out stupid thoughts.
He is just another politician ( any party).. throwing out thoughts passing threw his head at the moment with no real plans.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:01 am to FluffyBunnyFeet
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My grandmother would look after me and my brothers all the time when we were kids. What exactly is unrealistic about Vance's suggestion?
A really lot of grandmothers are working now. This was never an option for me. It isn't an option for my children. It's not an option for a large number of people. JD Vance is lucky that it was an option for he and his family.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:02 am to jizzle6609
quote:Amen.
The point is grandparents should be doing all that they can to help their children and grandchildren but due to lack of self-control, drinking, drugging, no financial consistency they are still working and thus costing their offspring more money than it had to.
My wife and I keep ours whenever we’re asked, we don’t ask anything for it. My in laws did the same.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:02 am to rwestmore7
He was practically raised by his grandparents… many actually help out when needed…
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:04 am to rwestmore7
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It's laughable just how out of touch this guy is with reality
It's only worked for thousands of years...
But you do have a point, America's values are shite and won't sustain a superpower or even prosperous country. We're going to crash and burn. But he can't quite say that, can he?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:05 am to bhtigerfan
HEY DUMBfrick - see the direct quote from Vance below:
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What we've got to do is actually empower people to get trained in the skills that they need for the 21st century. We've got a lot of people who love kids who would love take care of kids but they can't because they don't have access to the education they need
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:05 am to rwestmore7
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Capping Childcare Costs: One of Harris' major proposals is to cap childcare costs for families, ensuring that no family pays more than 7% of their income on childcare. This would significantly reduce the financial burden on families, making it easier for them to afford care.
Federal Govt price controls. interesting
how do they propose to implement the no more than 7% bit? tax refunds? what if they dont pay Fed taxes? just send the Gov a statement and get a check?
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Universal Pre-K: Harris has supported universal pre-kindergarten education, which would provide free early childhood education for all 3- and 4-year-olds. This policy would help alleviate childcare costs by providing public education options for young children.
that is a state level thing, how is the Federal Govt proposing to do this? just ship the states more money?
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Tax Credits for Childcare: Harris has supported expanding tax credits for childcare costs, including increasing the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit. This would help families offset the high costs of childcare by reducing their overall tax burden.
a Democrat candidate offering tax credits just before an election.
very interesting
do you actually critically think about these things or do you just believe what they tell you?
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