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re: Vance Disparages Friedman, Reagan

Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:19 pm to
Posted by damnstrongfan
St. George, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:19 pm to
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"I think that meritocracy can steal from us a sense of what really, really matters."


If Vance really said that, and I'm not saying he didn't, That statement alone is a complete disqualifier for me. Very disappointed to hear that.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:24 pm to
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you boomers

Thank you for exposing yourself as an utter fricking loser.

Post less.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:32 pm to
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Vance is a shapeshifter. I have no idea what he really believes in

I prefer Vance infinitely over any Democrat, however, from day one I have been a bit squeamish about him because he was a senator. Especially contrasted with Trump, who wasn’t a politician when he got into this and is a businessman. Trump is what Reagan would’ve been if Reagan had been a businessman. Not throwing shade at Reagan, but having not had extensive experience trying to run and grow a big business dealing with big government puts anyone that runs for president at a big disadvantage and it hurts their judgment as they too often default in favor of big government as opposed to small government
Posted by PastorJ
Member since Sep 2024
990 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:11 pm to
Hillbilly Obama is a moron. I can't until he is sent packing in 2028.
Posted by bamatrader
Member since May 2026
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Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:19 pm to
Nothing worse than a smart dumb mother fricker
Posted by davyjones
NELA
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37146 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:27 pm to
I’m too busy dealing with the dumb dumb mother frickers to worry about the smart ones.
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
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Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:28 pm to
TLDNR
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14490 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:32 pm to
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Trump is what Reagan would’ve been if Reagan had been a businessman.


Nope.

Not in a million years.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14490 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:42 pm to
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but having not had extensive experience trying to run and grow a big business dealing with big government puts anyone that runs for president at a big disadvantage and it hurts their judgment as they too often default in favor of big government as opposed to small government


Case in point.

Trump is not about small government.

Concentrating government in the Executive Branch during his second term so that he can do and control whatever he wants, yes. Uncovering corruption so that he can get revenge on the party who attempted to destroy him personally from 2020-2024, yes.

But tariffs are not small government. Kidnapping the president of a sovereign country is not small government. Using the tax code and regulatory priority to pick winners and losers is not small government. Spending like he signs off on regularly is not small government. Taking corporate equity is not small government. Using regulatory pressure to control universities is not small government.

Populists think anything they'd like to see is "small government," or "conservative."

By definition, it's not. Not necessarily.

Trump is arguably "bigger government" than every Republican POTUS in my lifetime and "bigger government" than at least one Democratic POTUS (Clinton).

And yeah, that doesn't take away from some good things that he's done that probably no one else would have the balls to do. But even those things weren't done because of a commitment to "small government."

Hell, most of what has seemed to motivate Trump this second time around has been (in no particular order):

1. Revenge
2. Desire to enrich himself and his family
3. Ego

I don't think he does a single thing out of a commitment to any principle like smaller government.
This post was edited on 7/12/26 at 10:46 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
83127 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 8:59 pm to
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Okay, now that I've looked at that section of the interview, he wasn't disparaging Friedman or Reagan. But he was saying that their approach was dependent upon "Christian guardrails," which no longer exist in today's society.


Exactly, he was saying that those systems only work in high trust societies, exactly the same message as the founders had about our system of government.

The more Mogadishu types we bring in the more demand for authoritarian government regulation will increase.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:00 pm to
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
28099 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:01 pm to
my boy is doing EVERYTHING he can to try to take himself out of the hotseat in 2 years...

Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76791 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:02 pm to
His "brand" helped more people than it hurt.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:05 pm to
Capitalism works fine in non Christian countries.
Posted by Neutral Underground
Member since Mar 2024
3670 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:13 pm to
Isn't Reagan the President who allowed millions of Immigrants to become citizens? That President? Doesn't sound very based if you ask me.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
7033 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:15 pm to
What he is saying is true. What happened in England happened here. We all know the leaders of the GOPfrom Reagan forward went along to get along until the people had enough.... and then Trump.

Reagan was talked into amnesty with the agreement that the borders would be secured. That never happened.

Friedman, on paper, is very sound. But we don't live in a world that allows for it. There is ZERO doubt that there were issues with free trade that nobody thought would happen, but here we are.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:15 pm to
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Capitalism works fine in non Christian countries.


I said 'high-trust' not Christian.

Japan, for example.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
7033 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:16 pm to
Very well put.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
7033 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:19 pm to
The issue you are having is that you took what Vance said to the extremes and pretty much stated he was saying something ill towards them. He did not say Reagan sucked. He did not say Friedman sucks. What he stated was that this is a different world.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
7033 posts
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:21 pm to
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I was a lot better off financially, politically, and definitely more optimistic during the 80's and early 90's than I am today.


And the policies of that time led the USA to where it is now. Just because times were good, it does not take away from the results of policies from that era that we live with today.

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