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re: USD crash?

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Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:04 am to
following the Venezuela model, either become corrupt and join the government and hope that your fellow corrupt cohorts don't have you shot, or leave the country....

Okay, so as the USA goes... so goes to the world. We are screwed.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53875 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:06 am to
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The institution is not inclusive to all of society so it can never really be considered currency from a technical aspect. It's another example of the bifurcation of the economy. It doesn't store value, it's not a hedge of inflation but the ultimate participant. There's also no legal system built around it. The mining aspect creates limitations to it. I just don't get where they think it's going.



I agree with this. Countries/governments will assert their own type of crypto with tracing before they adopt BTC fully
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11888 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:13 am to
I will say in all fairness this has happened with gold for centuries and will happen all over the world with corrupt government's confiscating mines and mining rights.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15982 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:21 am to
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I remain skeptical


As am I.

All this cryptocurrency just seems like the new wave ponzy scheme.

Sure some will make money and a few will make fortunes, but IMO the majority will lose their asses eventually.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7065 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:52 am to
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Countries/governments will assert their own type of crypto with tracing before they adopt BTC fully



This is what makes Bitcoin attractive. Decentralization.

The fact that governments aren’t involved is why it’s skyrocketed. Otherwise it’s no different than the dollar now.

The dollar needs the internet too. Our economy shuts down completely without the internet. Good luck withdrawing cash from your bank without the internet.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20705 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:03 am to
Silver is manure. Nothing short of fear porn lunatic junk used to pump their worthless products and services.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11888 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:07 am to
The CCP is heavily involved
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7065 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:13 am to
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The CCP is heavily involved



What aren’t they heavily involved in? They are heavily involved everything that will hold future value.

The fact that they are mining it heavily should tell you something. The country that wants to dominate the globe is mining Bitcoin while we score cringe political points with our military.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:18 am to
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Okay, so as the USA goes... so goes to the world. We are screwed.
Thinking through the what if of no more imports, starting tomorrow, is... an interesting thought experiment.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53875 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:19 am to
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The fact that governments aren’t involved is why it’s skyrocketed. Otherwise it’s no different than the dollar now.


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The CCP is heavily involved


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The fact that they are mining it heavily should tell you something. The country that wants to dominate the globe is mining Bitcoin


So. Governments, especially China, exert a large influence on BTC.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11888 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:54 am to
The CCP collapses when our consumption stops. Quite the conundrum if we were serious people in the US.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
4254 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:06 am to
Congress will always give themselves a pay raise to make up any coming inflation so it really doesn't matter. They will continue to run their printing presses.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11888 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:12 am to
I love how issuing debt is considered a money printer now. Only in the US could people think that
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38838 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:18 am to
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The fact that governments aren’t involved is why it’s skyrocketed. Otherwise it’s no different than the dollar now.



If I'm not mistaken, India is very "involved" in Bitcoin. Just heard this yesterday; lazy/busy/no Link, but it's there.

There is no way any responsible government can allow monetary entities like BC to operated un-regulated, and therein a mechanism for selfish and corrupt means.

And given the increasing likelihood of societal, national and international warfare...there is no way that the Internet remains viable, given it's power to manipulate (destroy/enslave/defeat) adversaries. Taking out the Internet would be like cutting off the water supply.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:54 am to
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Investing in crypto is a hedge against the very idea of fiat and this has picked up a lot of steam because it seems those in power have a dubious understanding of what fiduciary responsibility is.


Why is it a hedge against fiat? I would think the very fact that is is "crypto" would make it the very definition of fiat (aside that it has no government backing).
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:57 am to
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The only thing keeping it up is that other currencies are worse.



This is it in a nutshell, isn't it. Faith in our dollar is relative to the stability of all other currencies. Once we demonstrate an inability to control our valuation, faith will begin to erode and then use of other currencies will increase, weakening the dollar and therefor the USA.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54044 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:58 am to
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USD crash? quote: Bitcoin mania reminds me of the Dutch tulip bulb mania of many years ago

What I don't understand is that BTC is just an elite club of traders. The institution is not inclusive to all of society so it can never really be considered currency from a technical aspect. It's another example of the bifurcation of the economy. It doesn't store value, it's not a hedge of inflation but the ultimate participant. There's also no legal system built around it. The mining aspect creates limitations to it. I just don't get where they think it's going.


There's no denying it's highly speculative. What I'm pretty sure is going to happen is the King Kongs of the fiat monetary system will at some point get involved with their own crypto currency and that's when all other crypto currencies will be targeted as illegal.....the Bankers are not going to lose any significant business to something they can control.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:06 pm to
If you want to know how to survive any extreme crash or cataclysmic evet pattern yourself on the (old?) US economy:

1) Food - the world's breadbasket
2) Defense - MIC
3) industry - the ability to build.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
9099 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:10 pm to
OK, how can we erode bitcoin, paypul? You, in the back

Sir, let’s set up a drug buy, say $100 million in fentanyl from Mexico. Pay in bitcoin, then flood the US with fentanyl, feed the story to CNN, then demonize and cancel bitcoin.

You’re promoted.

Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7065 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:30 pm to
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If I'm not mistaken, India is very "involved" in Bitcoin. Just heard this yesterday; lazy/busy/no Link, but it's there.

There is no way any responsible government can allow monetary entities like BC to operated un-regulated, and therein a mechanism for selfish and corrupt means.

And given the increasing likelihood of societal, national and international warfare...there is no way that the Internet remains viable, given it's power to manipulate (destroy/enslave/defeat) adversaries. Taking out the Internet would be like cutting off the water supply.




There are going to be more attempts to regulate and ban it altogether. There is no doubt about this. However that could be taken in two ways. That governments can’t get their hands on the ledger means that they will never be able to control it directly and manipulate it, only via laws and outright banning. That could be seen as valuable. Governments have sequestered gold in the past including the U. S. It would take every government in the world not only banning it but tracking every transaction across countries and going after the two parties. If the world ever got to that point you’re talking about beyond novel-worthy distopia worldwide. I think this is very possible, but at least Bitcoin is an attempt to liberate economies from this centralized hell on earth. It’s a bit like the government coming and taking your firearms without a fight. After that, what’s the point anymore? You’re a slave. I would think the libertarian slant of this board would understand this at least.

There are a lot of smart people invested in Bitcoin and Ethereum. Blockchain will dictate our economy in the future have no doubt about that. How it shakes it remains to be seen, but people are flocking to these for the very reason that they are nearly impossible to manipulate centrally. A government digital currency can inherently NOT be like Bitcoin. And again, as someone else said, cutting the internet is cutting their own hands off. The entire global economy is digital.

So, I would at least suggest holding some - not all - of your investments in it. It will see 100K soon likely as inflation is upon us. That doesn’t happen without some kind of technical support behind it. As this thread shows, the learning curve on the technology means it’s still very early in the value curve, so it’s only a matter of time before more institutions become involved followed by the average soccer mom.
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