re: U.S. votes AGAINST resolution banning death penalty for gays that have consensual sex

Russia meddling in US affairs bad.

US meddling in other countries affairs good?

God y'all are clowns

Well, we can see that Toddy has renewed his membership in the "Useful Idiots Union".

A little hint to people of ALL ideologies: Any time you see a headline that seems too "out there" to be believed, it probably is. In this case, it is clear that talking points have been passed out, because a simple Google search for headlines in the past week would have you believe that Toddy's version of this story is correct, and is the full story. The UN passed a resolution that condemned using the death penalty as a punishment for same sex relations. It does in fact do this, in item # 6, on page 4, of the actual resolution.

What none of these UIU members are telling you is that the resolution was a GENERAL resolution dealing with the death penalty, and included many other provisions, including:

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Calls upon States that have not yet abolished the death penalty to ensure that it is not applied on the basis of discriminatory laws or as a result of discriminatory or arbitrary application of the law;

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Urges States that have not yet abolished the death penalty to ensure that the death penalty is not applied against persons with mental or intellectual disabilities and persons below 18 years of age at the time of the commission of the crime, as well as pregnant women;

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Also calls upon States to undertake further studies to identify the underlying factors that contribute to the substantial racial and ethnic bias in the application of the death penalty, where they exist, with a view to developing effective strategies aimed at eliminating such discriminatory practices

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Calls upon States that have not yet abolished the death penalty to make available relevant information, disaggregated by gender, age, nationality and other applicable criteria, with regard to their use of the death penalty, inter alia, the charges, number of persons sentenced to death, the number of persons on death row, the number of executions carried out and the number of death sentences reversed, commuted on appeal or in which amnesty or pardon has been granted, as well as information on any scheduled execution, which can contribute to possible informed and transparent national and international debates, including on the obligations of States with regard to the use of the death penalty;

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Now, I would argue that most of this is typical bureaucrat crap with little objective standard, i.e., it creates a regulatory burden where the interpretation of whether someone has met the requirements is left to someone with little defined criteria other than their own standards. Who defines "arbitrary"?

I really don't have a problem with anything the resolution is trying to accomplish. My objection is that it is really just a weapon for someone to enforce their own, subjective standards, without any real measure of accountability.

None of that matters to the issue at hand, though. The issue is that the Useful Idiots are out there parroting a dangerously simplistic platitude that (as it usually does) waters down and neuters the actual issue in the name of a pet cause. As a result, everybody misses the worthwhile argument (the death penalty as a whole) in favor of just trying to make it look like Trump hates figs.

Toddy: Your turn.

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Toddy's gone

he gets these totally biased stories from pink news and his LGBT groups on social media and tries to "gotcha" the board and when confronted with actual discussion, leaves. he will only come back when he's copied the responses/questions to him in this thread to those outlets and gotten their responses

Toddy is nothing more than a drone whose next original thought will be his first

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yup

The US does not need the UN passing laws about what counties do.

Then they have nothing to fear.

There is no 'sex' between same sexes.

No intercourse with the potential of mixing gametes occurs.

All that happens with gays is hedonistic massage involving sex organs. But not real sex.

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Ag Zwin

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Give me one reasonable reason why they would vote against this and align themselves with some Muslim shitholes and china.

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they no likey queers?

me no likey queers either!

There is absolutely no reason to use Toddy's sexual choices as a basis for attacking him. He's an idiot who happens to be gay, if he was straight, he'd still be an idiot.

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Good to know that Trump thinks it's ok if I'm killed

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If you're killed by Muslims, yes.