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re: U.S. Federal District Judge: Bans ICE from arresting illegals.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:37 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:37 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Nice AI image there
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:37 pm to BBONDS25
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It isn’t difficult to determine someone’s immigration status.
How is it done?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:43 pm to Harry Boutte
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But if you like an oppressive federal government, you do you.
Liberals want their oppressive federal government
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:44 pm to BCreed1
An easy fix....
Trump issues an executive order stating that federal judges rulings are to be ignored when it comes to enforcing illegal immigration laws....
If the judiciary wants to play in the executive role, let the executive branch play in the judicial role....
Trump issues an executive order stating that federal judges rulings are to be ignored when it comes to enforcing illegal immigration laws....
If the judiciary wants to play in the executive role, let the executive branch play in the judicial role....
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:44 pm to djsdawg
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Liberals want their oppressive federal government
Apparently they want federal employees just walking around demanding to see papers.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:48 pm to Trevaylin
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She got no demonstrated comprehension of the problem an d should be removed
She has complete comprehension of the problem, she just doesn’t give a frick because she has her marching orders to obstruct everything that Trump does or wants to do. The very definition of fair and impartial, amirite?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:49 pm to Harry Boutte
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If an ICE agent stopped me and asked me if my papers were in order
I'd tell him to get fricked.
But if you like an oppressive federal government, you do you.
Lol.... I wouldn't ever be asked that question. I don't hang out with folks that look like they are illegal nor in places that illegals would likely be.
If any law enforcement officer asked me anything, my response would not be telling him to get fricked. It wouldn't be yours either tough guy! Lol
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:50 pm to Froman
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How the frick were they arresting them without warrants in the first place? That’s more illegal than being an illegal immigrant.
Do you think every arrest that is made every day is done so with a warrant?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:51 pm to lake chuck fan
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ICE isn't just stopping random folks if they are citizens. They have probable cause.
They actually are, and it ramped up in June 2024 under Biden when they saw how crushed they were getting in the polls on immigration.
I've seen numerous examples in my area of CBP pulling a truck of hispanic dudes over at 6 AM leaving a gas station and asking for papers.
SCOTUS in a 9-0 decision said in US v. Brignoni-Ponce:
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(a) Because of the important governmental interest in preventing the illegal entry of aliens at the border, the minimal intrusion of a brief stop, and the absence of practical alternatives for policing the border, an officer whose observations lead him reasonably to suspect that a particular vehicle may contain aliens who are illegally in the country may stop the car briefly, question the driver and passengers about their citizenship and immigration status, and ask them to explain suspicious circumstances; but any further detention or search must be based on consent or probable cause. Pp. 422 U. S. 878-882.
(b) To allow roving patrols the broad and unlimited discretion urged by the Government to stop all vehicles in the border area without any reason to suspect that they have violated any law, would not be "reasonable" under the Fourth Amendment. Pp. 422 U. S. 882-883.
(c) Assuming that Congress has the power to admit aliens on condition that they submit to reasonable questioning about their right to be in the country, such power cannot diminish the Fourth Amendment rights of citizens who may be mistaken for aliens. The Fourth Amendment therefore forbids stopping persons for questioning about their citizenship on less than a reasonable suspicion that they may be aliens
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:54 pm to Warboo
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Me thinks that someone is ignorant of the law.
Not typically but perhaps in this case I am. It might not have come off that way but I was seriously asking how they were allowed to do that.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:55 pm to Harry Boutte
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It isn’t difficult to determine someone’s immigration status.
How is it done?
Assuming you are asking earnestly, it is very rarely an issue at play because the person is either a citizen, resident, or on an active visa. Where it becomes tricky is determining if a person violated the terms of their residency or visa. The burden is on DHS to show by clear and convincing evidence at that point that the person in proceedings violated some section of the INA.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:57 pm to BCreed1
But remember, boys and girls. According to the self-proclaimed genius from Lake Charles there's no such thing as either 1) Lawfare or 2) A Political Establishment.
I mean, this one is really INSANE. Hell, we might as well have Selena Gomez dictating our policy regarding illegal immigration.
I mean, this one is really INSANE. Hell, we might as well have Selena Gomez dictating our policy regarding illegal immigration.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:58 pm to BCreed1
Since when do you need a warrant to arrest someone?
You need a warrant to enter private property and search it. Illegals are crossing a border illegally, caught in the act on property that isn’t theirs. No warrant necessary just like if a cop sees me buying drugs on the street he can arrest me on the spot.
This is bullshite and a judge who issues such a blatant BS order should be impeached and disbarred
You need a warrant to enter private property and search it. Illegals are crossing a border illegally, caught in the act on property that isn’t theirs. No warrant necessary just like if a cop sees me buying drugs on the street he can arrest me on the spot.
This is bullshite and a judge who issues such a blatant BS order should be impeached and disbarred
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:59 pm to lake chuck fan
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look like they are illegal
What does that look like, half of the legal residents of Texas?
The federal government doesn't like the way you look, so it's okay for them to detain you? I mean, if that doesn't have flaming liberal written all over it...
I bet you'd be in favor of a national ID as well, wouldn't you?
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If any law enforcement officer asked me anything, my response would not be telling him to get fricked. It wouldn't be yours either tough guy! Lol
I was riding in a car that got pulled over. After asking the driver for license, registration in insurance, the cop asked to see my ID, I said I didn't have it. He said, "You don't have your driver's license? Why not?" I said, "Because I'm not driving." He looked confused at first, then he was about to ask me to step out of the vehicle when the driver asked what the problem was and distracted him. He said she had rolled through a stop, and they talked about it a minute, and then he just issued her the citation and let us go.
I wondered what he would've done if he had pulled me out of the vehicle, searched me and found my license in my wallet.
But yeah, what a bunch of tough talkers bitching and moaning about oppressive federal government, and then just rolling over when confronted.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:01 pm to Froman
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Not typically but perhaps in this case I am. It might not have come off that way but I was seriously asking how they were allowed to do that.
Illegal aliens are committing a crime simply by existing in this country illegally. They are criminals actively committing a crime.
This is similar to me trying to set your house on fire, a police officer witnessing me doing it, and the officer having to seek out a judge and obtain an arrest warrant before he can stop me from doing what I am doing. That is an exaggeration, of course, but it effectively highlights the possible legal precedent this dumbass judge's ruling would set.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:02 pm to Jack Carter
They ain’t gonna do shite.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:03 pm to lionward2014
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the person is either a citizen, resident, or on an active visa.
How is this determined, and under what circumstances? Is hanging out in a Home Deport parking lot sufficient cause for the federal government to harass me and demand to see proof of legality? How about just being on the street having brown hair and brown eyes? There must be some guidelines.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:15 pm to Harry Boutte
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How is this determined, and under what circumstances? Is hanging out in a Home Deport parking lot sufficient cause for the federal government to harass me and demand to see proof of legality? How about just being on the street having brown hair and brown eyes? There must be some guidelines.
You are asking two distinct questions.
How it is ultimately determined is through the initiation of removal proceedings and DHS proving by clear and convincing evidence that you don't have legal status or no longer qualify for your current legal status. Even if they prove that you don't, you have the opportunity to present relief from removal to stay in the US.
How ICE/CBP picks someone up to put them in proceedings is totally different. It can be a detainer with a local jail, stops based on "reasonable suspicion," or targeted enforcement based on a "tip" to name a few. Like any law enforcement encounter they can decide to detain based on the facts of the situation.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:23 pm to Harry Boutte
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How is this determined, and under what circumstances? Is hanging out in a Home Deport parking lot sufficient cause for the federal government to harass me and demand to see proof of legality? How about just being on the street having brown hair and brown eyes? There must be some guidelines.
I'm sure plenty of people agree with this classically liberal take. But here's how it happens in reality:
The GOP and libertarians spend their energy on free market lip service for a couple of decades (even while failing to really shrink government or the regulatory state).
The Biden administration, buoyed by the absence of meaningful safeguards opens the border and imports millions of illegal immigrants with zero vetting or consequence. The libertarians and classical liberals say and do nothing while this happens.
The population has enough, and votes for sweeping change. We're then left with a massive logistical nightmare that completely overwhelms our administrative processes, at which time classical liberals wake up from their naps and say "hey, you can't ask for proof of legal status just because that guy is a mile from the border and wearing a shirt with a Mexico flag and has a knapsack and can't speak English! You need to spend 6 years in the administrative state before you can get him out of here!"
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:31 pm to lionward2014
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How ICE/CBP picks someone up to put them in proceedings is totally different. It can be a detainer with a local jail, stops based on "reasonable suspicion," or targeted enforcement based on a "tip" to name a few. Like any law enforcement encounter they can decide to detain based on the facts of the situation.
This is what I'm talking about. The other was introduced by someone else as a remedy to my question - which didn't make sense to me.
Do we trust the federal government with just "reasonable suspicion"? "Well, he looked like a Mexican..."
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