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re: US Abruptly Cancels Media Conference After Zelensky Met With Trump's Ukraine Envoy

Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27189 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:43 pm to
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By giving everything away?


Well if the idiot hadn't sold out his country to the DS he wouldn't of had to give up all they land that Russia has taken in the last few years.

So it was keep your citizens alive, keep your land. Forgo potentially getting a piece of paper with the word NATO on it. He made the wrong choice and continues to make bad choice after bad choice.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:44 pm to
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You accuse the Ukraine government of corruption, yet give the Putin regime a pass?

You wouldn't fight if your country had been invaded?



We were being invaded for the last four years

What did you and your ilk do?



Also

We were ready for nuclear war when Russia was moving into Cuba

The USA and NATO have been continuously moving East towards Russia
When we said we wouldn’t


We were the provocateurs


We also cancelled an agreement by both sides

This war should have never started
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1734 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:45 pm to
Third party negotiation with is common practice.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47580 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:47 pm to
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You claimed we are all on Putin's side. Still have yet to back off that.


I’ve baited this cheese dick about 7 times on the threat of US troops on the ground in Ukraine and every time, he side steps it. He cant bring himself to lie about wanting American troops to die for his precious Ukraine, but he’ll lie about everything else.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6985 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:48 pm to
It's always fun when a major leftist comes out with nonfactual takes and get's schooled.

Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:48 pm to
First off, thank you for being rational.

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what do you estimate is the eventual loss of life and territory?

I keep thinking about where I would draw the line for my own country. I'm not sure what all I'd be willing to sacrifice for our continued sovereignty It would be a lot considering the opponent in this case.
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I mean territory has been lost via war since the beginning of time. It’s not an incomprehensible idea.

And has led to two world wars, after the last of which the civilized nations of the world got together and agreed that territorial gains made through violent aggression was to be a thing of the past. Especially since the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
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I don’t think the US is going to force the end of the war.

I think that's exactly what Trump is trying do to - to his credit. It just looks to me that his approach is more one of appeasing Putin and sharing the spoils with him. Has anyone mentioned any kind of liability for reparations on Russia's part? Has any mention been made of any concessions at all on Russia's part?
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I have no qualm with Ukraine going forward backed by Europe. If that’s what they want, I support the endeavor.

And I have no qualms with simply withdrawing American support for Ukraine.
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But I also realize there is real risk there.

Seems like there is always risk when Putin is your neighbor.
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It’s obvious to me that the best deal for Ukraine will be the one with the US sitting at the table helping negotiate.

It's funny, because I see it as the best deal for Putin is one with Trump sitting at the negotiating table.

Trump is already demanding mineral resources from Ukraine in compensation for aid given. Were those the original terms of the weapons deal?
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:49 pm to
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We were being invaded for the last four years

What did you and your ilk do?


Okay, you're not serious either.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7904 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:50 pm to
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What do you people expect the head of state to do when his country is invaded by an armed force?


Sue for peace when most of your fighting age men are dead.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90750 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:50 pm to
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It's funny, because I see it as the best deal for Putin is one with Trump sitting at the negotiating table.

Well link up this great plan.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47580 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:52 pm to
He keeps ignoring facts and repeating media talking points over and over again.

He’s out of his element
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47580 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:52 pm to
He was ILLEGALLY invaded! He should call the cops!
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47580 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:53 pm to
He makes this comment after fricking blasting Trump for meeting with Putin.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90750 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:54 pm to
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He makes this comment after fricking blasting Trump for meeting with Putin.

It's why the clown ignores the fact Kellog met with the Nazi prior to Putin.
Posted by dickkellog
little rock
Member since Dec 2024
2936 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:02 pm to
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invade Latvia, Finland and Estonia next, right? After all, they're just begging for invasion with their provocative actions.


wouldn't care george w. bush (who loves the baby jesus) had no business putting them in NATO in the first place they bring nothing to the table. he put them in in 2004 as some sort of in your face victory lap as at the time our illegal invasion of iraq was a success. it's been twenty and none of those countries as any kind of military. so no i don't want a risk a nuclear war because bush's stupidity, just like i don't want to risk a war over obama's stupidity.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:02 pm to
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You keep wanting us to declare a side.

Liar.

I don't want Trump siding with Putin. That's it.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36332 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:04 pm to
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What do you people expect the head of state to do when his country is invaded by an armed force?


Go full authoritarian fascist.

Wait, no he shouldn't have done that.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:06 pm to
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wouldn't care george w. bush (who loves the baby jesus) had no business putting them in NATO in the first place

You totally missed the point.

The Point: Using having NATO on Russia's doorstep as a rationale for the invasion of Ukraine is invalidated by other NATO nations being on Russia's doorstep.
Posted by dickkellog
little rock
Member since Dec 2024
2936 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:06 pm to
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I would draw the line for my own country


while we're on the subject kid what is your country because it doesn't seem to be the united states as for ukraine it's been part of russia for 400 years, crimea since the 13th century.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47580 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:07 pm to
We are just funding Europe’s security apparatus while they legislate themselves into oblivion. They can’t even afford their NATO commitments.

They have cut their militaries under the assumption of US protection rendering themselves essentially worthless combat allies if shite were to really hit the fan.

Bloomberg

Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:07 pm to
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Go full authoritarian fascist.

Wait, no he shouldn't have done that.

Why not? We did in WWII, not to mention the Civil War.

What does a patriot take off the table when fighting for the very existence of his country?
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