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re: US Abruptly Cancels Media Conference After Zelensky Met With Trump's Ukraine Envoy

Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13760 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:03 pm to
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Of course they are.


Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
23923 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:03 pm to

Zelensky will be swinging upside down in the town square at the end of all this, Mussolini style.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:04 pm to
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What do you people expect the head of state to do when his country is invaded by an armed force?


The thing that is the best interest of his people and country when considering the reality of the threat.

What do you think he should do?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:06 pm to
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By giving everything away?


You can’t give away something that has already been lost.

His options are to attempt to regain what was lost (and accept the costs if that) or cut his losses to save lives and future losses.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:07 pm to

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Own your comment. You clarified that when it comes to troops, it’s a “we” proposition.


That proves you're just fricking insane.

YOU are the one who said "we":

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What happens when we run out of Ukrainian men?

LINK

I even asked you what in the ever loving frick you were talking about with your "we" comment.

You're off the fricking rails.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Tell me how much Trump and Putin have decided that Russia will pay in reparations to Ukraine for all the devastation caused by Putin's unlawful invasion.


Zero.

Ukraine will pay the US though in minerals.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:09 pm to
That was (D)ifferent
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90750 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:10 pm to
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That was (D)ifferent

Indeed.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85685 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Trump further said that Zelensky chose to sleep instead of meeting with the high-ranking American official to discuss the White House proposed mineral rights deal.


If the minerals are so valuable, why are we cool with them falling into Russian hands?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:11 pm to
Are you retarded? How many
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Ukrainian men

does the US have to send to the front?
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:12 pm to
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The thing that is the best interest of his people and country when considering the reality of the threat.

What did Ho Chi Minh do when faced with a similar threat?
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What do you think he should do?

Turn to the European Union once the US cuts off materiel supplies. If they don't want to help a fellow European nation, then I guess he just goes down swinging. Eventually his forces would run out of weapons and ammo, and would have to surrender in the field.

I don't believe for a second that any red-blooded American wouldn't fight to the end to save his country. I don't understand why we expect any differently from other countries.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:13 pm to
Why did you say "we"?

quote:

What happens when we run out of Ukrainian men?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:13 pm to
We aren’t. Why are people so fricking zero sum about this? Wiping Russia off of the map isn’t the only outcome. This is the same regime (invasions and all) we wanted to do business with just a few years ago.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90750 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:14 pm to
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Eventually his forces would run out of weapons and ammo, and would have to surrender in the field.
Even Japan surrendered.

Kellog met with the little Nazi prior to the Putin meet.
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8022 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:14 pm to
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What do you people expect the head of state to do when his country is invaded by an armed force?


Meet with the leaders who are trying to keep it from getting out of hand and who provided $350 billion of which 1/2 can’t be accounted for by the receiving country.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:14 pm to
Who is trying to negotiate a peace deal with these counties?

Now, why did you deny the Ukrainian troop shortage by invoking that same word. This time try being honest
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:16 pm to
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Kellog met with the little Nazi prior to the Putin meet.


He’ll continue to bicker with you without ever acknowledging that we’ve held direct talks with both. The narrative is more important than the truth
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2212 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:17 pm to
I don’t believe comparing the Ukrainians to the Viet Cong or Taliban is strengthening your argument, but I’ll play along.

The difference is (hopefully) that Z does care to some degree about the loss of life of his people, whereas, both the VC and Taliban have no concern for a loss of human life. That fact alone makes a huge difference when you are talking about a conventional war vs guerrilla or terroristic warfare.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14715 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:18 pm to
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None a single goddamned one of you would settle for this shite if your country had been invaded.



So Z tries a power move, Russia invaded, Most of the young men are dead and the cities have been destroyed.
What was the justification for wanting to join Nato? Was if for protection?
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:19 pm to
Why did you say "we"?

quote:

What happens when we run out of Ukrainian men?
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