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re: **UPDATED*Full (Redacted) MAL Raid Affidavit(PDF of Redaction Filing + Link to Doc)

Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27147 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:14 pm to
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Even one who had previously recused himself on Trump's civil RICO case...


No one is being held to account for their actions... I am honestly afraid we are too far gone in this country to ever come back...
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
4973 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:15 pm to
So the only reason that is provided is:

NARA requested documents and Trump allowed them to come in and bring boxes back to DC. NARA saw there were documents marked Classified, Top Secret, and Confidential. The Agent says based on my training, I knew the documents had to do with National Defense.
So we need to raid his house for fear that he possesses secret docs.


Basically they could've negotiated and requested those boxes like they did the first time. But nope, they wanted to raid the house and embarrass him and drag him through the mud.

We are provided with 1 reason as to why they did this. Nothing else is made public.
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:15 pm to
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They did it because the boxes weren't stored properly?


Pretty much, yeah. MAL not an authorized site for storing what in FBI expert's opinion is likely NDI (even though they had reviewed it 2 months prior and were told by Trump to take whatever you need.

Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

**UPDATED*Full (Redacted) MAL Raid Affidavit(PDF of Redaction Filing + Link to Doc)
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17040 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:18 pm to
Did anyone read the letter at the bottom of the affidavit from Trump's lawyers? He said what I've been saying for a while. I will quote:

quote:

Under the U.S. Constitution, the President is vested with the highest level of authority when it comes to the classification and declassification of documents.


Yep, this has never been in question (until OMB).

As for criminal liability, he said:

quote:

Any attempt to impose criminal liability on a President or former President that involves his actions with respect to documents marked classified would implicate grave constitutional separation-of powers issues. Beyond that, the primary criminal statute that governs the unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material does not apply to the President.


Yep exactly. If you read the criminal statute in question, it is clear it is not talking about the President. For example, the lawyer points out the wording of the statute:

quote:

An element of this offense, which the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt, is that the accused is "an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States." The President is none of these.


Exactly what I have been saying. The president is not an officer, employee, contractor or consultant. He is the supreme elected official. This statute was clearly written for regular baws sitting at a desk somewhere in the military or DoD. It does not apply to the President.

Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9102 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:19 pm to
"....based on his animosity and hatred of your favorite President, me."

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146878 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:23 pm to
The redactions are so ridiculous. Top legal experts have said the President is not subject to the espionage act therefore obstruction is also moot.

It is like it was written by lawfare blogger lawyers citing CBS reported a moving van at MAL.

Trump did not pack up anything. This is all bullshite like crossfire hurricane. They killed 2 birds with one stone it seems. They get crossfire hurricane docs Trump needs for his RICO lawsuit. AND they paint Trump as a criminal via news leaks and this garbage.

The magistrate that approved the warrant and these redacted documents... Because CBS spotted a moving van or an 'informant' mole said, OMB took something he should not have: can go to hell.

I am not Turley or Dersh and I can see it is all bullshite bird-dogging and gas-lighting Trump some more.
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60032 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:25 pm to
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It is like it was written by lawfare blogger lawyers citing CBS reported a moving van at MAL.

Marc Elias would like a word.
Posted by OGM
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2020
460 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:26 pm to
Page 7, item 21 (b) is exactly what they're after. Can Trump run for office if they drag this out?

quote:

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book,
document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes,
mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title
or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be
disqualified from holding any office under the United States
. As used in this
subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a
retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48389 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:29 pm to
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I saw that also YA TIttle. Didn't they site a yahoo article or something to justify a FISA warrant during the campaign.


Yes, and they leaked the fake info to Yahoo. So they leak fake info. Get a reporter to write something on it, then cite that article as evidence in an affidavit.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60032 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:30 pm to
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Yes, and they leaked the fake info to Yahoo. So they leak fake info. Get a reporter to write something on it, then cite that article as evidence in an affidavit.


It's the same circular sourcing they used to justify the FISA Court surveillance. Their playbook isn't very deep.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:30 pm to
Would have been very beneficial if your Q posts had been redacted this much
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146878 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:31 pm to
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Page 7, item 21 (b) is exactly what they're after. Can Trump run for office if they drag this out?
yep, and they have gotten away with so much they don't give a flying frick if the espionage act is plainly not applicable to any U.S. President.
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
1337 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:31 pm to
May every past, present and future FBI official burn in hell for eternity.
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
1337 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:33 pm to
WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY YOU STUPID GROOMER
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15420 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Exactly what I have been saying. The president is not an officer, employee, contractor or consultant. He is the supreme elected official. This statute was clearly written for regular baws sitting at a desk somewhere in the military or DoD. It does not apply to the President.



This also makes me bonkers. The President spends 4-8 years with knowledge of every national secret there is. Orange Man is extra bad bc he cannot un-know a thing he knows.

This just makes it abundantly clear that these are all Muh Collushioun documents and Kash and DJT are just planning how to fire everyone involved in causing that shite show for GASP abusing their security privilges.

The affidavit cites published caselaw and news articles. Great redactions.

The DOJ is a joke and embarassment and Merrick Garland needs to be impeached in teh most humiliating way possible and congress should just go ahead and fire any of these FBI agents participating in this for good measure.

I hate everything.
Posted by BlueDogTiger
Member since Jan 2014
1310 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:33 pm to
Definitely FBI and DOJ attempting to pickup the Cross Fire Hurricane documents that would put them all in jail.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:35 pm to
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If I had to show my work in school to get credit for providing the correct answer, they should have to provide this affidavit without redaction in order to continue weaponizing it.


I would think the Trump legal team would have a helluva argument to see more of it
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27147 posts
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:37 pm to
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Definitely FBI and DOJ attempting to pickup the Cross Fire Hurricane documents that would put them all in jail.


Trump should sit down and recite everything that he knows and force them to prove that he is wrong...

He needs to blow the top off of whatever he can blow the top off of...
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