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re: Universal Healthcare systems are broken...
Posted on 5/1/22 at 2:08 pm to Blutarsky
Posted on 5/1/22 at 2:08 pm to Blutarsky
quote:The thing is, you have a lot less negative treatment outcomes—when you don’t treat people at all. They never show up in the stats.
I laugh when people say our health care ranks 20th worldwide when most of those countries have to wait weeks, or even months, to see the correct Doctor.
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Posted on 5/1/22 at 2:35 pm to LSUconvert
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It is. Healthcare systems that are reliant on the free market have failed catastrophically, every time.
You are full of shite.
Private hospitals put public hospitals to shame.
Public hospital employees are government workers.
Anyone with a lick of common sense knows government employees don't compare to private sector employees.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 2:39 pm to BulldogXero
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but it never made sense to me when people criticize universal healthcare because it provides healthcare access to more people who would otherwise be unable to afford it.
Probably because, when it comes to serious illnesses, this expanded healthcare coverage only covers minor illnesses and comes at the cost of *everyone* in the form of much longer wait times.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 2:42 pm to Taxing Authority
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The thing is, you have a lot less negative treatment outcomes—when you don’t treat people at all. They never show up in the stats.
The ranking is shite.
Those rankings assign an arbitrary measure of a system’s universality and a large portion of the ratings are based on the “universality” of care. So a country which provides shitty care to all its citizens in theory is going to rank roughly as high as a country which has top notch care but has some uninsured.
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/1/22 at 3:26 pm to the808bass
quote:IIRC those works were based on "four quadrants of care" assembled by a Norwegian socialist group. Three of the quadrants had to do with cost. One had to do with "quality". Except even that quadrant was only 50% actual quality of care related. The other 50% was "universal access".
Those rankings assign an arbitrary measure of a system’s universality and a large portion of the ratings are based on the “universality” of care. So a country which provides shitty care to all its citizens in theory is going to rank roughly as high as a country which has top notch care but has some uninsured.
Given the obvious template bias, it is amazing the US still rated 20th or so. The thing was so flawed it was discontinued years ago. But it's still quoted as somehow indicative of care.
As an easy measure of accuracy, one need only examine how many Americans seek care in the higher rated systems vs how many citizens in the higher rater systems seek care here.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 3:30 pm to Azkiger
I have a whole slew of doctors. I’ve never had a problem seeing a specialist ever. My complaint was that it would take 3 weeks sometimes
Posted on 5/1/22 at 3:40 pm to xxTIMMYxx
quote:Yep.
I’ve never had a problem seeing a specialist ever.
E.g., We could ask Natasha Richardson her opinion on access to specialty care in the Canadian system ....
.... if she was alive to answer.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 3:45 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Yep. Even though I keep asking it, no one answers "why don't Americans go to other countries to get their 'free' care?"
As an easy measure of accuracy, one need only examine how many Americans seek care in the higher rated systems vs how many citizens in the higher rater systems seek care here.
Of course we already know the answer...
1- they would almost certainly be denied under treatment protocols if they are elderly or terminal.
2- or they'd have to wait months or years for treatment.
3- those countries do not treat non-citizens for free (like we do).
4- those countries don't even allow immigration for older non-tax profitable individuals. They actually have borders and immigration laws. (I know, hard to believe)
Too many have the fantasy that with "universal care" we'll keep our current level of service, except it will be "free". Nothing of the sort. And if anyone is simultaneously touting the benefits of "universal care"... while promoting our open border policies... they are instantly dismissable as ignorant.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 3:59 pm to Eurocat
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Eurocat
Did you read any of that article? 18-24 days in major metro areas..30 days in rural areas…
In England it’s 19 days for a phone appointment with a GP with some areas waiting significantly longer. Appointments are shorter, and if you need any blood work or an X-ray? It’s 3 months minimum. It was so bad in England most of us just drove to joint RAF bases and saw American doctors.
It was so bad in Italy that we had use of US medical facilities added into contracts. Embassy medical or naval medical
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:07 pm to Smokeyone
You'd think someone named "Eurocat" would be more knowledgeable about what's happening on that side of the pond.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:24 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Michael Moore says Americans can go to Cuba for care.
Yep. Even though I keep asking it, no one answers "why don't Americans go to other countries to get their 'free' care?"
Of course we already know the answer...
... so at least there is that opportunity.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:49 pm to Eurocat
Anecdotal: I had chest pain last Sunday, met w a cardiologist as a new patient the next day. YMMV
Posted on 5/1/22 at 5:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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We could ask Natasha Richardson her opinion on access to specialty care in the Canadian system
I forget the exact data, but I believe there are more MRI units in Los Angeles county than in Canada.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:52 am to NC_Tigah
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Residency training numbers and funding are controlled vis-a-vis CMS.
Could a state do something about this?
I'm originally from South Dakota, and I've always found it curious that a state that has such an acute doctor shortage doesn't dramatically expand seats in its medical school - and based on your comment, heavily invest in residency training. I have no idea what the funding numbers would look like, but are they so ugly that a state like SD couldn't resolve its doctor shortage over a 20 year period?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:55 am to BulldogXero
quote:
I saw that no healthcare system is without it's flaws, but it never made sense to me when people criticize universal healthcare because it provides healthcare access to more people who would otherwise be unable to afford it.
quote:
it provides healthcare
How? Magic? Is healthcare an unlimited, free resource?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:18 pm to Tvilletiger
Just like in Canada a lot of wealthy British citizens have policies that they can use at private hospitals and doctors that aren't in the commie medical system. And there's also Switzerland, which has the best medical care in the world, but at a premium. Bottom line with health care the world over, you get what you pay for.
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