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Universal Healthcare systems are broken...
Posted on 4/29/22 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 11:18 pm
This thread is inspired by the thread claiming America's healthcare system is broken. While I do agree that the Affordable Healthcare Act was a disaster and that the Healthcare system we have today isn't one driven solely by the free market, the bastardization of this free market/universal healthcare system is still better than a pure universal healthcare system.
Here's my story.
One of our children was diagnosed with a severe case of Crohn's disease a while back. Her initial symptoms weren't horrible, and we thought she might have had a parasite (we camp often, and she swims in natural bodies of water). Her GP ruled that out quickly and referred us to a specialist.
Within FIVE days we were meeting with a pediatric gastroenterologist getting tests lined up. They heavily suspected Crohn's and gave us some literature. One of the sheets mentioned a website for parents whose children has Crohn's. So we lurked while we had two months of tests run (MRI, several waves of blood/fecal work, endoscopy/colonoscopy, etc).
While reading threads/posts there, we saw an odd trend of parents complaining about how long it took to get to see a specialist. I'm talking 6-8 months with one poster saying they were having to wait a full year. We were confused, how did we get to see one so quickly? Then, I started noticing where these people were from. Canada, Australia, Italy... What do they have in common? Universal Healthcare...
My daughter's case was so severe that she nearly needed a colostomy bag. Imagine that, an eight-year-old with a colostomy bag...
People who push Universal Healthcare are actually creating a much larger problem. Sure, you might never be denied care, but if you're very sick you probably won't live long enough to receive that care. There just aren't enough resources to give the very best medical care to everyone. Look at five-year cancer survival rates in America and compare that to countries with Universal Healthcare.
Ask yourselves, if Universal Healthcare is so great, why did the Canadian Supreme Court have to rule that it's illegal to bar people from paying cash to receive medical care? Why would people in Canada want to pay with cash when they're already paying taxes for the highly coveted "Universal Healthcare" that progressives so desperately want? Because of long wait times...
Again, you might not be denied care, but you probably won't live long enough to receive it.
Here's my story.
One of our children was diagnosed with a severe case of Crohn's disease a while back. Her initial symptoms weren't horrible, and we thought she might have had a parasite (we camp often, and she swims in natural bodies of water). Her GP ruled that out quickly and referred us to a specialist.
Within FIVE days we were meeting with a pediatric gastroenterologist getting tests lined up. They heavily suspected Crohn's and gave us some literature. One of the sheets mentioned a website for parents whose children has Crohn's. So we lurked while we had two months of tests run (MRI, several waves of blood/fecal work, endoscopy/colonoscopy, etc).
While reading threads/posts there, we saw an odd trend of parents complaining about how long it took to get to see a specialist. I'm talking 6-8 months with one poster saying they were having to wait a full year. We were confused, how did we get to see one so quickly? Then, I started noticing where these people were from. Canada, Australia, Italy... What do they have in common? Universal Healthcare...
My daughter's case was so severe that she nearly needed a colostomy bag. Imagine that, an eight-year-old with a colostomy bag...
People who push Universal Healthcare are actually creating a much larger problem. Sure, you might never be denied care, but if you're very sick you probably won't live long enough to receive that care. There just aren't enough resources to give the very best medical care to everyone. Look at five-year cancer survival rates in America and compare that to countries with Universal Healthcare.
Ask yourselves, if Universal Healthcare is so great, why did the Canadian Supreme Court have to rule that it's illegal to bar people from paying cash to receive medical care? Why would people in Canada want to pay with cash when they're already paying taxes for the highly coveted "Universal Healthcare" that progressives so desperately want? Because of long wait times...
Again, you might not be denied care, but you probably won't live long enough to receive it.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 11:21 pm
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:22 am to Azkiger
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:34 am to Azkiger
Sad to hear that your daughter and family are going through this. To say that it is difficult is an understatement. Praying.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:44 am to Eurocat
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You have your anecdotal experience, but there are many examples of the opposite.
How about articulating your argument instead of just blind linking to Healthline? Talk about being lazy.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:47 am to Azkiger
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While reading threads/posts there, we saw an odd trend of parents complaining about how long it took to get to see a specialist. I'm talking 6-8 months with one poster saying they were having to wait a full year. We were confused, how did we get to see one so quickly? Then, I started noticing where these people were from. Canada, Australia, Italy... What do they have in common? Universal Healthcare...
My daughter's case was so severe that she nearly needed a colostomy bag. Imagine that, an eight-year-old with a colostomy bag...
that sounds awful.
with that said were the other parents reporting cases as severe? did their kids end up with colostomy bags like that from waiting?
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:24 am to Azkiger
I have a brother-in-law up in Toronto who works for Zurich Insurance company. He told me he and everyone he knows has a Cadilac policy for them and their families to go to the states for medical care. Brud-in-law goes to Buffalo since it's an hour or so from where he lives.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 1:27 am
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:28 am to oklahogjr
Waiting times are a world wide problem but also an American prolbem. Go to a hospital with chest pains and they will patch you up but it might take weeks to see a cardiologist after that.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 2:12 am to Azkiger
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if Universal Healthcare is so great, why did the Canadian Supreme Court have to rule that it's illegal to bar people from paying cash to receive medical care?
well i have a simple phrase for all of this...
no fricking shite....
Posted on 4/30/22 at 2:29 am to Eurocat
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Go to a hospital with chest pains and they will patch you up but it might take weeks to see a cardiologist after that.
Weeks, not months. Waiting a few weeks to see a specialist is not outrageous.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 2:35 am to imjustafatkid
injustakid -
Your beef is not with me. The OP was the one one complaining about the waiting timesmaking it seem like in America we can zip right in when that is not the case.
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There is a world wide doctor shortage.
Your beef is not with me. The OP was the one one complaining about the waiting timesmaking it seem like in America we can zip right in when that is not the case.
.
There is a world wide doctor shortage.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:30 am to Azkiger
I will say that I have heard the same from people in regards to universal healthcare. I also know that Chrohn’s and UC are two things that the universal care at least in England is slow to work on. Plus those two diseases are not the type you just go to doctor and get fixed for. Unfortunately she will have this to deal with for the rest of life. The best way to defend those is the use of biological drugs that really shut the immune system down. Hopefully you find one that works. Expect a few surgeries over the years.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:19 am to Azkiger
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Why would people in Canada want to pay with cash when they're already paying taxes for the highly coveted "Universal Healthcare" that progressives so desperately want? Because of long wait times...
You are right, but you missed another important feature: You don’t get to pick your doctors. You take whoever they assign to you. When my wife and I need a doctor we research who the best ones in town are and we go to them. Under Universal health care you get whatever crappy doctor is available. THAT’s another reason those wily Canadians are paying for health care.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:07 am to Eurocat
quote:Not if your care requires seeing someone earlier.
Go to a hospital with chest pains and they will patch you up but it might take weeks to see a cardiologist after that.
If on the other hand, you are treated, and fixed at the hospital before release (as would be the case, else you'd not be released at all), they might well make you a follow up at the cardiologists scheduling convenience. Why wouldn't they?
quote:I'm sorry EC, but that is just an incredibly stupid statement. It's so stupid, I have to believe you fully know it's BS.
Waiting times are a world wide problem but also an American prolbem.
It's like Charles Manson and a kid who shoplifted a candybar being compared because they both broke the law. Though technically correct, the comparison is completely inane!
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:26 am to NC_Tigah
I have told the story a few times but a group of my friends went up to Canada to play golf years ago and we got paired with a primary care doctor. While we were playing I asked the doctor why he was not working on this particular afternoon.
The doctor said that his office was closed for three months after he had seen his allotted number of patients and paid his money from the government
Think about that.
The doctor said that his office was closed for three months after he had seen his allotted number of patients and paid his money from the government
Think about that.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:29 am to Azkiger
Prayers for your little girl. Hope she gets better soon. I have family in the UK where they have government run healthcare. They have long waits for appointments and have complained that access to cutting edge treatments and medication seems to lag behind the United States.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:38 am to Eurocat
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You have your anecdotal experience, but there are many examples of the opposite.
The "opposite" would be months worth of a wait time here in the states while having only a few days/weeks in countries with Universal Healthcare systems.
The article you linked doesn't show that.
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making it seem like in America we can zip right in when that is not the case.
Comparatively, we are zipping right in. Even chalking up our five day wait as an outlier, waiting weeks is better than waiting months.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 6:46 am
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:42 am to oklahogjr
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with that said were the other parents reporting cases as severe? did their kids end up with colostomy bags like that from waiting?
We didn't follow many other families long term but colostomy bags for CD is around 15% so it's likely some of those children ended up with those considering the long wait.
Keep in mind, the longer wait wasn't just to get in to see a specialist. They'd still have to schedule all the tests. We had our MRI within a week or two, I'd bet that was also a few month wait in the Universal Healthcare countries.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 6:56 am
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:48 am to dafif
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The doctor said that his office was closed for three months after he had seen his allotted number of patients and paid his money from the government
So much for healthcare being a "right".
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:52 am to Azkiger
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The article you linked doesn't show that.
The article he linked also says that the surveyed wait times have increased by 3 days since 2004…it doesn’t even show a meaningful increase in wait times like he claimed
We have two Canadian citizens who practice in our medical group. Both will tell you that Canada’s system is worse from a care standpoint. Both have had parents who have travelled to the US for care because of either complex pathology or long wait times.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 6:55 am to Xanthus
Thanks everyone, for the prayers and comments.
This occurred two years ago and she's gotten a lot better since (thanks to Humira). I'd say outside of a few dietary restrictions she's made a full recovery, although she's technically still not in remission.
This occurred two years ago and she's gotten a lot better since (thanks to Humira). I'd say outside of a few dietary restrictions she's made a full recovery, although she's technically still not in remission.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 7:22 am
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