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re: Unfortunately, there is a calamitous flaw in the US constitution.

Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:26 pm to
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:26 pm to
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One to push us forward


Slowing your march left to socialism is just kicking the can down the road.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:26 pm to
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Obama has been the best President of America in my lifetime. Was he perfect? No, but there is no metric you can point to that says he is as bad as you guys claim he was. You only think that because he is on the other team.


LOL.

Obama was a plant, a change agent to usher in Woke DEI bullshite ans move us towards a globalist regime. It takes a ton of mental gymnastics to not accept that.

Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:31 pm to
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LOL.

Obama was a plant, a change agent to usher in Woke DEI bullshite ans move us towards a globalist regime. It takes a ton of mental gymnastics to not accept that.


What data, not your feelings, do you have to support any of this?

Globalism is a concept that many have promoted, including the right. Obama didn't pioneer this, and there is an argument that Globalism is the inevitable best outcome.

Like I said earlier, maybe we went too fast and need the conservatives to pull us back a bit, but that's why we need both schools of thought.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:34 pm to
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Slowing your march left to socialism is just kicking the can down the road.


You don't think there's any good in socialism?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:37 pm to
No. All you socialists can frick off.

It’s throwing out free bread. Nothing more.

And you never stop moving left. The next stop is communism.

You people never ever stop.

You are at wanting men to piss with little girls. frick all of you.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 5:39 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:39 pm to
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You don't think there's any good in socialism?

True socialism? Absolutely not. It has a horrible track record.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:40 pm to
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True socialism? Absolutely not. It has a horrible track record.


Feigned or quasi socialism is pretty shitty as well.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4126 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:41 pm to
So, should we dissolve our military, police/fire departments---get rid of parks and public schools, no more public transportation or public streets and highways?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:41 pm to
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So, should we dissolve our military, police/fire departments---get rid of parks and public schools, no more public transportation or public streets and highways?

This has nothing to do with socialism

Some things being paid for by the government doesn't equal socialism

WTF are you on about?
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:42 pm to
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This has nothing to do with socialism

Some things being paid for by the government doesn't equal socialism

WTF are you on about?


I think you may have a warped definition of socialism
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 5:44 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
153970 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:45 pm to
Well. You people do call for the end of the police.

You twist policing into socialism all you want. I won’t play that game.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67175 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:45 pm to
The Constitution is intended to allow the people to vote however they wish, even if those elected trigger your paranoia about socialism. This country is far removed from any threat of a communist
government.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4126 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:47 pm to
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Well. You people do call for the end of the police.

You twist policing into socialism all you want. I won’t play that game.


You guys should really look up the definition of Socialism. Not the definition you created in your head.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:48 pm to
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Why do people pretend that these are the only choices?


Bc these are the only two real choices right now. You can vote third party all you want—I did for years—and you can take the high ground and say that both parties suck—I did for years—but that doesn’t accomplish much.



He/she knows this^^^^, that's why I don't engage in nonsense.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:48 pm to
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There isn't a dead man's switch in the constitution for preserving the constitutional republic against the enemies from within

There are several

The two most notable are:

1. The democracy built into our system that allows the citizenry to vote their dissatisfaction with issues.

2. Limitations on government power that "enemies" can use.

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109335 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:48 pm to
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You guys should really look up the definition of Socialism. Not the definition you created in your head.


Give us the link to one that says simply having a police force counts.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47745 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:48 pm to
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John Adams issued a prominent warning that the U.S. Constitution was made for a "moral and religious people," meaning its success depended on a virtuous populace. He also warned that "absolute power intoxicates alike despots, monarchs, aristocrats, and democrats"

Yes - this is perhaps the most important concept that underlay the adoption of the constitution. They obviously thought that relying on the inherent morality and honor of the people was a better assumption than trying to introduce limiting language into the wording of the constitution itself.

They underestimated the level of evil that would be tolerated by the populace and the democrats are taking full advantage of that moral failure to totally destroy the guarantees of the constitution = all in the name of 'preserving democracy' -

I would much rather preserve the republic = that is what I pledge allegiance to.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463678 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:49 pm to
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Read the Declaration of Independence; it's there.


The DOI is effectively well-written virtue signaling. It has no legal merit or authority.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53512 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:49 pm to
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If you had your vision of a prosperous and strong USA what ideology should we pursue?



No answer?
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4126 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:52 pm to
Socialism is a social and economic doctrine calling for public—not private—ownership or control of property and natural resources, particularly the means of production such as factories, land, and capital. Under socialism, production is organized to serve the needs of the community as a whole rather than for the profit of private owners, and goods and services are distributed more equitably among all members of society.

Many public services are often described as having “socialist” elements because they are funded, operated, or provided by the government for public benefit rather than for profit. This does not mean these services exist only in socialist countries; rather, they embody aspects of socialism (public ownership, universal access, operation for collective good) within otherwise market-based economies.

Common Public Services Considered Socialist
• Public education: K-12 schools, public universities, and community colleges are universally accessible and tax-funded, aiming to provide education regardless of one’s ability to pay.
• Healthcare programs: Medicare and Medicaid in the U.S. are examples of government-run health programs that pool tax resources to provide healthcare access based on age or income.
• Public transportation: Subways, buses, railways, and other transit systems are usually government-owned, subsidized, and sometimes free at point of use, aiming at universal mobility.
• Infrastructure: Roads, highways, water and sewer systems, electricity grids, and other infrastructure are built, maintained, and owned by governments for public use.
• Police and fire departments: These vital safety services are almost always funded publicly, available to all, and organized for collective protection.
• Parks and recreation: National and local parks are publicly maintained to ensure everyone has access to leisure and nature.
• Postal service: The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) is government-run and, while it charges for services, operates as a public utility for the benefit of all citizens.
• Social Security: This program provides retirement, survivor, and disability income funded by payroll taxes and operates on principles of shared risk and support.
• Military: Armed forces are publicly owned and operated, funded by tax dollars, and organized for national defense as a collective good.
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