re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.

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Rivers and lakes and sporadic forests throughout Karelia.

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Well doughhead, let's focus on the term existential threat. The topographic area you're referencing is 30-50mi wide. As a functional invasion corridor, it's 1/10th that. Meaning an invading ground force would be sitting ducks at the choke points. Ukraine is a vast plain by comparison.

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Isn’t NATO a defensive group?

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Who are you people?







This thread is a disturbing abortion of ignorance and bloodlust.

You people make Putin and Biden look like MLK and John Lennon. Y’all are psychotic.

I feel gross just posting in here.

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Would NATO have expanded if the provocation in doing so would start a war rather than preventing one?

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Yes. That’s exactly what they did because it was those former Warsaw Pact states who were pushing for inclusion in NATO. From the perspective of those states, joining NATO prevented them from sharing Ukraine’s fate.

It seems that self-determination is a concept reserved only for Russia while at the same time Russia is a snake that can’t help itself. It’s an idiotic position. Given that your position seems to be that because of nuclear weapons, Russia needs a wide leeway to ‘feel’ more secure, when the truth of the matter is that even when Russia’s predecessor the USSR had the buffer zones it wanted, the world was still at the brink of nuclear war.

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That is exactly what a country not capable of defending itself HAS to do. They should also send a thank you for not obliterating them and giving them the opportunity to live. That is how this works.

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No, that is not how it is going to work.

You say this unironically as you bring up NATO’s intervention during the Kosovo War. Why did NATO intervene, do you think? Hint: it wasn’t bloodlust.

Let’s be real, there has been nothing I said that could construed as anything other than realpolitik. You just don’t like that I’m taking an anti-Russian position because your morality has been so warped by getting some perfect 4 pussy.

How is Russia using this radar system during their invasion of Ukraine?

If you invade another sovereign nation, and they try to fight back, you may lose a radar. Why would it be off limits?

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Good. Thank you. Now the next 50 times you claim NATO is defensive, I'll repost this to remind you NATO is about provoking war.

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How many countries has NATO taken territory in? And who is the dictator they installed?

For an example of a free country that comes under the influence of Russia in semi-modern times, look up Belarus. That's Eastern Europe if we let Russia do their thing.

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The simple point to this whole ordeal is that Russia will not allow NATO controled states next to their border.

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and yet nato is supposed to allow Russian controlled states on their border. If it weren't for retard putin invading Ukrainelike he previously invaded Georgia and Crimea they would have 2 fewer nato countries on their border right now. What a fricking mouth breathing tinpot dictator he turned out to be, and you lap at his balls.

well, if it's the americans doing it then it's a different matter. you can't use american weapons that are targeted by americans and launched by americans and say it is ukrainian.

James Kunstler (Clusterfrick Nation blog) unloaded today.

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You realize, don’t you, that everything going on around the Ukraine fiasco on the NATO side is completely insane? The folks running the US government — Barack Obama and his witches’ coven — started the whole thing over there in concert with a gang of corporate players (BlackRock, sundry oil-and-gas companies, Haliburton types, arms-makers, bunch of big banks), plus the dastardly WEF for “guidance” (ha!), looking to grab the mineral wealth of Ukraine and, ultimately, of Russia itself. Nice try. Didn’t work out. Tons of money pounded down a rat hole.

Now, the chatter is that we (NATO) “can’t afford to lose.” Yeah? But we’re losing. Russia will hold the eastern Ukraine provinces and what’s left in the rest of Ukraine will be a failed state drained of men under sixty able to work at anything, bankrupt, broken. It will take a century, if ever, for Ukraine to recover from all that and the West will have gained nothing. Anyway, that’s the true prospect. And so, the West’s “solution” to that humiliating quandary appears to be: start a bigger war, right up to and including nukes. That’s good thinking there, Butch, said Sundance.

Why the European members of NATO wanted to go along with this nickel-plated clusterfrick is an abiding puzzle of history now, like who exactly bumped off JFK in 1963. Germany, the Euro club’s biggest economy, stood by listlessly while America blew up its supply of affordable natgas (the Nord Stream pipelines), which was an act of war by us against Germany. Apparently, Olaf Scholz went to our CIA station in Berlin for a haircut one day and came out with a lobotomy, staring blankly through the whole affair like a Hinterwälder steer on the killing floor. Meanwhile, goodbye industrial economy! Nice knowing you. Looks like it’s back to the fourteenth century, living on rough black bread, sleeping with the cattle under your house for heat in winter, fighting jihadis inside your town walls. . . .

What is the purpose, you ask yourself, of this new world war we’re itching to start? And why now, exactly? The stupid answers may be the correct ones. To furnish an emergency pretext allowing “Joe Biden” (Barack Obama & Co.) to “postpone” the election? If so, I guess they want a hot civil war even more than WWIII, because that’s what they’ll get. Or is it just to complete the destruction of the USA, turning us into a failed state run by a tranny Mamluk-ocracy? Or is it, as Ed Dowd has averred, to cover up the imminent implosion of the US / Euroland debt debacle?

To provide cover for all that, the West held a fake peace conference at a five-star resort in Switzerland last week — flutes of Louis Roederer Cristal Brut with langoustine mousse in puff pastry boats . . . to die for! (and you just might) — and you know how serious the USA was because we sent our ace problem-solver Veep Kamala Harris, who cackled and hee-hawed her way through a session or two and then. . . just. . . split the scene, mysteriously. Russia, was conspicuously not invited, by the way. Whose idea was that?

Mr. Putin marked the occasion by issuing a sane proposal to commence peace negotiations so plain, simple, and straightforward that even “Joe Biden” might have gotten the drift: 1) withdraw Ukrainian troops from Donbas territory that has joined the Russian Federation, and 2) agree that Ukraine not join NATO. The US and NATO instantly rejected it, on grounds unspecified. According to The New York Times own search engine this very morning (June 17), the newspaper hasn’t published a news story on the Ukraine War for the past five days. Go figure . . . .

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