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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:18 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:18 pm to crazy4lsu
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Is that an analogy to what you think happened in Ukraine?
It could be argued that occurred to a degree in the east (although technically Gitmo is claimed by the US). The reality is that Ukraine has been two scoops of fricked up since we meddled in the region politically. The early stages of the conflict are certainly tied to Bush and Obama (and definitely precede the invasion).
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:18 pm to The Levee
Lol what are you talking about?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:20 pm to doubleb
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Are you saying Putin and Biden are equals?
I think Biden is almost dead. Putin at least has a functioning brain
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:20 pm to doubleb
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Did Ukraine pose a threat to Russia? Did NATO have offensive capabilities in Ukraine? No
You don’t know this.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:23 pm to doubleb
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Putin has done a great on looking out for Russia? Hundreds of thousands of Russians have been injured or killed. Their economy is reeling. Their armies are being depleted. Their navy embarrassed.
Who told you these things. The same people that told you about the ghost of Ukraine? Perhaps it was the people that said Putin only had a month or two to live? Maybe the ones that said Ukraine was definitely going to win the war (easily no less)?
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And for what?
Victory in Ukraine it would seem.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yes we are absolutely allies with Mexico.
Trading partners -yes.
Allies? You are far too trusting imho.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:27 pm to jimmy the leg
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It could be argued that occurred to a degree in the east (although technically Gitmo is claimed by the US).
There is not an analogy I can find between what occurred in Ukraine and your description of a potential scenario in Cuba.
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The reality is that Ukraine has been two scoops of fricked up since we meddled in the region politically.
I mean, it isn’t as though Ukraine or Eastern Europe was some pristine utopia we ruined through our dastardly deeds or something. Conflict is the one thing that is assured in the human condition, and it isn’t as though there isn’t an immediate precedent in Ukraine, as just over 100 years ago, the Ukrainians fought a war against the Soviets. It wasn’t even a stable region after the dissolution of the USSR. And nations, especially in periods of relative unrest, compete with one another. Why Russian interference in Ukraine is regarded as something they apparently have the right to do is something I don’t understand. They played a much larger reason in why the area is screwed up politically.
Why should they be insulated from the consequences of their own choices?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:33 pm to jimmy the leg
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Allies? You are far too trusting imho.
What exactly do you think they are going to do? We’ve made them a trillion dollar economy while at the same time they use the border issue politically, much the same way Turkey uses the refugee issue with respect to Europe. That doesn’t make them any less an ally, especially in broad geopolitical terms.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:33 pm to crazy4lsu
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There is not an analogy I can find between what occurred in Ukraine and your description of a potential scenario in Cuba.
I get that you are on the spectrum (and that’s great in the field of medicine), but geo-politics is not defined by what you read on Wiki.
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I mean, it isn’t as though Ukraine or Eastern Europe was some pristine utopia we ruined through our dastardly deeds or something.
I didn’t claim that it was.
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Why Russian interference in Ukraine is regarded as something they apparently have the right to do
I didn’t say that it was (although that aspect too may be dubious, as those reporting it also gave the world the “ghost of Ukraine”).
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They played a much larger reason in why the area is screwed up politically.
Agreed.
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Why should they be insulated from the consequences of their own choices?
Who is doling out those consequences?
Are we going to have to face them as well.
Who is going to set us straight?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:34 pm to crazy4lsu
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That doesn’t make them any less an ally, especially in broad geopolitical terms.
I disagree.
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We’ve made them a trillion dollar economy while at the same time they use the border issue politically
Right, because Allie’s always allowed for their territory to be used as a staging area for an invasion against us.
Again, you are far too trusting imho.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:35 pm to doubleb
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Putin has done a great on looking out for Russia?
Better than Biden and the DC Insurgent Class, who are trying to destroy our nation, so, yes he has.
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Hundreds of thousands of Russians have been injured or killed.
Nope.
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Their economy is reeling.
Nope.
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Their armies are being depleted.
Nope.
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Their navy embarrassed.
Have you taken a look at our navy lately?
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And for what?
Keeping NATO off their border. While Biden opens ours to every criminal that wants to walk in.
It's truly strange to see people like you that can't objectively look at anything at all regarding this Ukraine situation. Russia is kicking their teeth in. They have wiped out an entire generation of Ukrainian men. Ukraine is gone. It's on the map but it's no longer a functioning nation. Russia has not used maneuver, it has not blitzed. No shock & awe. No nukes. Very little of its best tech and equipment being used. They have gone straight to attrition and gutted one of the largest military forces in the region, that NATO spent almost a decade building.
If people like you acknowledged the truth and stopped cheerleading for this debacle, public support might fall so far that the US has to stop propping up Ukraine, and then a peace deal can be negotiated. It's people like you that insure Ukrainians keep dying. You're not signaling virtue, logic, or strength. People like Lindsey Graham have staff that look at the internet every day and smile when they find people like you, who they think of as useful idiots. As long as you keep buying their lies, Ukrainians will keep dying. It's out government that has the power to stop this right now, and it's our government that set this in motion. Stop supporting that and this war can end and people can stop dying.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:41 pm to POTUS2024
That poster is one of the circle jerk thread regulars.
They won’t like your description of reality.
The “Ghost of Ukraine” is still real to them…
They won’t like your description of reality.
The “Ghost of Ukraine” is still real to them…
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:45 pm to jimmy the leg
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I get that you are on the spectrum (and that’s great in the field of medicine)
lol I’m definitely not on the spectrum. I just happen to write like I am.
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Are we going to have to face them as well.
Of course we will. There is not an action in geopolitics where there is no reaction, and like Machiavelli said, we can judge the means employed by the eventual outcome.
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Who is going to set us straight?
At the moment, we are the people (as in the US) who set the rules and get to define, fairly or unfairly, the’ liberal world order.’ And as of now, it has been countries that are more or less in our camp that have defined the world order for the last few centuries.
There are lots of benefits for the US in the immediate sense for pursuing the strategy they did. Even the initial hesitation of the Europeans has worked out to make the alliance stronger, with more commitment seen in the past two years than has been seen from 2006 (when we started our attempts to increase the spending of NATO states) to 2022. We’ve been able to renew the American-Atlantic relationship, reorient Europe away from the Chinese while also potentially letting Europeans take care of their own defense while we can focus on the competition with China.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:58 pm to jimmy the leg
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Right, because Allie’s always allowed for their territory to be used as a staging area for an invasion against us.
I mean, that is in effect what Turkey did to get major concessions from European powers as well as the US. Turkey is still an ally because they occupy the most important geopolitical region in the world.
Being an ally doesn’t mean there is complete coherence in a relationship 100% of the time. Each relationship among allied groups is different and has to be managed differently. The period of transition in Mexico from an insulated, closed off country to a liberally oriented (in market principles at least) one happened remarkably quickly. In effect, it has happened within the last 30 years. There are strong incentives for Mexico to continue fostering positive relationships with the US, much stronger than other potential objectives.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:05 pm to doubleb
quote:I didn't. Your point was made in the first clause. NATO is the threat. NATO and it's unnecessarily provocative encroachment is the singular casus belli here. By adding additional threats on multiple fronts, c/o NATO nations weaponry, the NATO threat is proportionately exacerbated.
Why did you carve up my post and omit my point
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:15 pm to Crow Pie
quote:No.
So Ukraine should just forget about the 100 'sof thousand casualties that Putin caused by invading their country
They should learn that aggravating a rattlesnake will sometimes get you struck, so don't do it. Give the snake wide berth and due respect.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:16 pm to NC_Tigah
Bidens administration and NATO started this war.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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They should learn that aggravating a rattlesnake will sometimes get you struck
Yeah but they had the balls to stand up to a fricked up piece of shite like Putin. We should applaud their efforts and support them.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:18 pm to RiverCityTider
Why Ukraine attack nuclear detection facilities when they don't have
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:21 pm to crazy4lsu
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We’ve been able to renew the American-Atlantic relationship, reorient Europe away from the Chinese while also potentially letting Europeans take care of their own defense while we can focus on the competition with China.
Do you actually believe this?
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