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Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Nobody outside of Russia is going to accept this as legitimate
I agree. I’m just saying how else can Ukraine escalate that type of rhetoric?
They are limited with what they can do. Russia will now say that Ukraine is violating Russias sovereignty. no one is going to provide Ukraine with boots on the ground.
From their perspective, it’s their nuclear option. If they are added to NATO maybe it stops Russian aggression into the rest of Ukraine? Nothing else is going to stop Russia
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:22 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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0% chance this gets approved
One would think...
If it is approved then it's clear the west wants war
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Russia is going to have to accept defeat at some point, or the world will force unconditional surrender on Russia.
They tried for a solid decade in Afghanistan.
Currently, things are so bad domestically that Putin is looking to conscript from their own prisons (exchanging a day of service in Ukraine for 10 days of their sentence) yet he's acting like they are winning.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:30 pm to Bard
quote:I am a cynical bastard, but I see this as a VERY calculated (and clever) move by Ukraine.
Ukraine Officially Applies for NATO Membership
They KNOW that the request cannot conceivably be granted by the governments of the Western democracies in the current environment, but they also KNOW that they have overwhelming support from the CITIZENS of those nations vis-a-vis the Russian invasion.
Ukraine is going to leverage that support and this request into still more military aid.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not just advances. Ukraine needs to completely expel Russia out of their country. Anything else leads to all out war between nato countries and Russia if NATO accepts that membership.
That's basically a lot of first world countries vs Russia. That has the potential to collapse Russia. If their country is going to collapse, nukes could definitely fly out of Russia in an attempt to take some other countries out with them.
That's basically a lot of first world countries vs Russia. That has the potential to collapse Russia. If their country is going to collapse, nukes could definitely fly out of Russia in an attempt to take some other countries out with them.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:31 pm to UASports23
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Russia will now say that Ukraine is violating Russias sovereignty
And no one outside of dullards, Putin supporters, or useful idiots will give that any weight
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:31 pm to Bard
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Ukraine Officially Applies for NATO Membership
This seems like waiting until you have water up to your door, THEN applying for flood insurance
frick them, let them deal with this shite. Leave us out of it
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And no one outside of dullards, Putin supporters, or useful idiots will give that any weight
I agree with that as well. What options do you think Ukraine has at this point?
You think that applying for NATO Membership is a bad move?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:36 pm to UASports23
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What options do you think Ukraine has at this point?
They're doing pretty well right now. Keep doing that.
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You think that applying for NATO Membership is a bad move?
I think it's symbolic.
Likely has some justifications like ole hank listed earlier.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What options do you think Ukraine has at this point?
They're doing pretty well right now. Keep doing that.
Yeah, keep draining US taxpayers money funding a proxy war they cannot win.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:44 pm to Lieutenant Dan
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they cannot win.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They're doing pretty well right now. Keep doing that.
Yea but how long are they going to keep up? Folks in the US and other countries have limited attention and resources to provide.
Russia can outlast Ukraine.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:48 pm to Plx1776
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Not just advances. Ukraine needs to completely expel Russia out of their country. Anything else leads to all out war between nato countries and Russia if NATO accepts that membership.
It’s not going to happen, dude. General Winter is less than two months away, and he’s always been a loyal ally of Russia’s. You don’t want to fight Russia in Winter.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:49 pm to UASports23
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Russia can outlast Ukraine
Russia can outlast Ukraine, but it can't outlast Ukraine + EU + US
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:50 pm to AggieHank86
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They KNOW that the request cannot conceivably be granted by the governments of the Western democracies in the current environment, but they also KNOW that they have overwhelming support from the CITIZENS of those nations vis-a-vis the Russian invasion.
No they do not especially once you explain the ramifications of it. It’s World War III, put and simple. No if, ands, or buts. No one who is remotely sane wants WWIII.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:55 pm to OMLandshark
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No one who is remotely sane wants WWIII.
Serious question: If Russia seems destined on accepting its fate as starting WW3, do we ever have a legitimate reason to intervene in their aggression?
I mean, responding after all may cause WW3
Posted on 9/30/22 at 1:01 pm to Bard
0% this should happen. now once they have defeated russia... and corruption can be verified to be snuffed out under a different president from a different party and not one from the uni party....maybe.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 1:02 pm to OMLandshark
quote:More accurate to say that you do not want to INVADE Russia in winter.
It’s not going to happen, dude. General Winter is less than two months away, and he’s always been a loyal ally of Russia’s. You don’t want to fight Russia in Winter.
Geographically and meteorologically, eastern Ukraine is essentially indistinguishable from the parts of western Russia that Nappie and Hitler attempted to invade.
Who is the invader in this little scrap?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Serious question: If Russia seems destined on accepting its fate as starting WW3, do we ever have a legitimate reason to intervene in their aggression?
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