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Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:55 pm to WeeWee
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Hitler also broke treaties. Are you advocating that we do that?
Damn. After your opening salvo, I didn’t think it was possible for you to further clown yourself. Boy was I wrong!
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:55 pm to Iron Lion
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Why aren't you over there fighting for Ukraine? Are you a pussy?
He would wewe his arse all the way home to Mama's basement.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:55 pm to the808bass
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Y’all Ukrainian bitches are weird.
These are also your typical ANTIFA supporters. The irony of not understanding shutting down speech you disagree with is in fact facist.
This Ukraine action is an obvious attempt by Neo-Cons to escalate something believing that would hamper Trump bringing peace and keeping their war profiteering going.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:55 pm to WeeWee
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Wow. I really triggered you.
Nah, not triggered in the least. Just telling it like it is is all.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:55 pm to WeeWee
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Our nation pledged to support Ukraine and help defend its territorial integrity. Russia violated Ukraine's territorial integrity. So now we are honoring our word.
And you're fine with that being the cost of 180 Billion taxpayer dollars?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:57 pm to Adam Banks
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Link to said treaty.
I see the Ukraine bros are here. It' the NATO Founding Act, I guess since it's not an actual "treaty" it's OK to break over and over again right?
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:57 pm to WeeWee
according to the vids I am looking at, they didnt hit much of anything.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:57 pm to WeeWee
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Again why is Ukraine’s “territorial integrity” our problem when we don’t even value our own “territorial integrity”. Sounds like a Ukraine problem
Because we signed a treaty.
When the USSR collapsed, Ukraine, Eastern Europe and the Baltic States gained their dreams of independence. Ukraine had a large number of nuclear weapons which was a great concern because some could have ended up on a black market. With our urging and promise along with that the UK and much of Western Europe, Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for our guarantee of their continued independence.
That may be ancient history to some of you, but I recall it well.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:58 pm to klrstix
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you are not as smart as you think you are on this comment towards WeeWee
WeeWee didn’t go fight. Foh
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:58 pm to WeeWee
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That promise was made in a conversation between two diplomats. It was never put on paper and signed by anyone.
True. But our highest officials were entirely aware of the ramifications of pushing for NATO expansion going back to at least 2008
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1. (C) Summary. Following a muted first reaction to Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition, stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic" issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene. Additionally, the GOR and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry, Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations generally. In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions. End summary.
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5. (C) Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.
-William J. Burns
Nyet means nyet
I’d love to read your rationalization of this
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:59 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Our nation pledged to support Ukraine and help defend its territorial integrity. Russia violated Ukraine's territorial integrity. So now we are honoring our word.
A sign of intelligence is recognizing a bad deal and making changes.
Well then Biden or Trump after 1/20/25 should formally cancel the deal. Until then we honor the deal.
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Our present leaders did not allow Zelensky to make a peace deal early on
How long are you people going to continue to believe that lie.
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Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, opens new tab, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
It was Putin not Zelensky who rejected the peace deal.
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How does escalating a war honor the treaty?
Helping Ukraine defend its territorial integrity.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:00 pm to WeeWee
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That promise was made in a conversation between two diplomats. It was never put on paper and signed by anyone
Just rip that shite up Pelosi style
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:00 pm to sta4ever
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Is South Korea worth risking American lives over? Is Japan? Is Israel? Is Poland?
No
No
No
No
Any other dumbass questions?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:00 pm to the808bass
Live look at WeeWee, GOP Tiger, CoolerScammer and Lee B in the OT thread
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:01 pm to Longhorn Actual
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The only thing thats changed is approval to use our munitions instead of their mcguyver’d long range drones.
Geopolitically, that’s a monumental change.
One of the targets was a NORK training base.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:02 pm to sta4ever
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And we should also pull out from everywhere else right? Is South Korea worth risking American lives over? Is Japan? Is Israel? Is Poland?
Are we allowing South Korea, Japan and Israel to launch our long range missiles at Russia or someone else?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:02 pm to WeeWee
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Helping Ukraine defend its territorial integrity.
Why arent you over there taking up arms?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:02 pm to WeeWee
I hate these ukrainian fricks they are hell bent to cause ww3
Posted on 11/19/24 at 4:02 pm to TS1926
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the NATO Founding Act
Wait, are you saying the NATO Founding Act has a stipulation which states NATO won't seek new members or expansion?
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