- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Uh oh...everyone's favorite "pro gay" Pope just shite in the punchbowl
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:20 pm to Laugh More
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:20 pm to Laugh More
quote:
Could this be a situation of his people around him putting out policies while he doesn’t know any better? Like Biden doesn’t know what’s going on, but this is an actual good policy?
So basically JPII after the year 2000?
0
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:24 pm to Freauxzen
quote:So it would all be OK if the surrogate didn't take a dime?
It devalues life to that of a transaction
My wife and I are catholic and went through IVF to have our son. Does that make him a "constructed" person?
No, more like a miracle. He's a human being with exactly the same dignity and right to live as you. We didn't construct anything, just gave nature a little help. And we made sure no embryos were destroyed. All were give the same chance at life.
As a result of that pregnancy, which my wife carried, her condition subsided and we were able to have our daughter naturally - another miracle.
I can not see how that can be placed on the same moral level as abortion or the self mutilation of gender transforming therapy/surgery.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:27 pm to Freauxzen
quote:What about someone who wants to have their own biological child but is unable to carry a pregnancy?
You're kind of lumping surrogacy with Adoption. They are not the same thing. life shouldn't be created to be sold - and that is effectively what it is.
A person who has a baby, but wants to give it up, is very different from hiring a person to deliver a constructed baby.
Surrogacy turns child-birth into a manipulative right and incurs consumerism and all of the other things that come with it. It devalues life to that of a transaction.
I'm very good friends with a couple who had to go the surrogate pregnancy route because she had part of her uterus removed due to cancer. They have 2 biological kids of their own now that would've never been possible without a surrogate.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:31 pm to TigerMyth36
quote:
He didn't write that. Given how ill he has looked for quite some time, someone else is pulling the strings.
If this is true, that's actually much more encouraging than if this was his statement.
I've long assumed that it's a lot of his "underlings" pushing a lot of the wackier shite coming out of his papacy. If there's a group with enough clout to publicly push something otherwise IN HIS NAME, it would be a better situation there than I imagined.
Who knows, though?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:34 pm to udtiger
The Pope has never been as “pro gay” as our media has attempted to portray him. That reputation has mostly been based on mistranslated or purposefully misconstrued statements.
Dude is still a commie, just not a gay commie
Dude is still a commie, just not a gay commie
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:46 pm to LSUnKaty
quote:
So it would all be OK if the surrogate didn't take a dime?
My wife and I are catholic and went through IVF to have our son. Does that make him a "constructed" person?
No, more like a miracle. He's a human being with exactly the same dignity and right to live as you. We didn't construct anything, just gave nature a little help. And we made sure no embryos were destroyed. All were give the same chance at life.
As a result of that pregnancy, which my wife carried, her condition subsided and we were able to have our daughter naturally - another miracle.
I can not see how that can be placed on the same moral level as abortion or the self mutilation of gender transforming therapy/surgery.
It's an incredibly delicate subject, unfortunately. Two things: You're too close to this to have this discussion, emotional landmines won't lead to good ends
Second, the simple thing is that the ends don't justify the means, and Catholic teaching aligns with that.
ETA: And it isn't on the same "moral level," but it is in the same wheelhouse of an approach to life that creates a lot of dissonance.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:47 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:
What about someone who wants to have their own biological child but is unable to carry a pregnancy?
It's a cross to bear, unfortunately.
quote:
I'm very good friends with a couple who had to go the surrogate pregnancy route because she had part of her uterus removed due to cancer. They have 2 biological kids of their own now that would've never been possible without a surrogate.
See above.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:20 pm to udtiger
Listen, buddy. We have tolerated a LOT of Pope-bashing around here but accusing him of shitting in the punchbowl is going TOO FAR.
ADMINS: SEND THIS MISCREANT A WARNING (the OP, not the Pope)
ADMINS: SEND THIS MISCREANT A WARNING (the OP, not the Pope)
Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:47 pm to Champagne
Lololololololol
Posted on 4/9/24 at 4:15 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
I don’t understand the opposition to surrogacy. If life is sacrosanct, why do we care how it arrives? It’s not like we’re doing surrogacy for child slaves. These babies are given to loving parents.
I personally feel renting a womb is gross, especially when so many children need homes. However, the real reason Catholics are in opposition to the process (including IVF) is that, for economic reasons, it leaves spare embryos that either sit in a freezer for eternity or get destroyed.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:15 pm to udtiger
I am stunned and pleasantly surprised by this. As a Catholic, I could care less what adults do to their own body. My issue is with the children. Chopping children up should be off limits. These are the most disgusting people in the world.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:20 pm to kingbob
quote:
The Pope has never been as “pro gay” as our media has attempted to portray him. That reputation has mostly been based on mistranslated or purposefully misconstrued statements.
Nah, this is a load of crap. You have James Martin, the Jesuit homo defender having personal meetings with the Pope, but he can’t make time for Cardinal Muller. He kisses arse of the gay lobby(lavender mafia) in the Vatican.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:34 pm to udtiger
quote:
It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that or try to “make oneself God.”
Though I’m not religious, I gotta say I feel bad for Christians who have gotten to the point where they are genuinely surprised that the pope came out with this stance, considering it’s synonymous with Adam and Eve which is pretty much the most fundamental and essential thing about when humans showed up in the Bible.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:47 pm to udtiger
Give him time.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:53 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Surrogacy turns child-birth into a manipulative right and incurs consumerism and all of the other things that come with it. It devalues life to that of a transaction.
It's not much of a stretch to go from this to not seeking medical care at all. That too involves consumerism and the manipulation of life.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:58 pm to udtiger
I guess I’ll sleep better tonight knowing that some old man in Rome is standing guard against the transgender hordes descending upon us…
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:06 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:
It's not much of a stretch to go from this to not seeking medical care at all. That too involves consumerism and the manipulation of life.
No. There is a huge difference- "life," meaning the creation of it, not the existence of it. Those are different. There's no need to split hairs here. Renting a womb and renting eggs is vastly, enormously different than cough medicine.
If you view them as the same - then yeah that's already the problem with the world.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:15 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
don’t understand the opposition to surrogacy
You fundamentally don't understand the Chruch's position on IVF or Natural Law foundations for the rejection of surrogate wombs.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:22 pm to keakar
quote:
dont be fooled, he has and there is more to this than we know because he is 100% a groomer for life.
His position seems pretty consistent to me...
quote:
[from 10/2016]
"To change the mentality -- I call this ideological colonization," the Pope said.
The Pope said he still spends time with transgender people, leading them closer to God.
In August, the Pope called the teaching of gender identity theory "terrible."
"Today, in schools they are teaching this to children -- to children! -- that everyone can choose their gender," Pope Francis said.
quote:
[from 01/2015]
"The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life."
quote:
[from 02/2015]
"Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings. Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation."
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:45 pm to TigerBaitOohHaHa
quote:
However, the real reason Catholics are in opposition to the process (including IVF) is that, for economic reasons, it leaves spare embryos that either sit in a freezer for eternity or get destroyed.
Beyond IVF, there are other concerns with renting the flesh of another to satisfy desires for motherhood and fatherhood.
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News