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UAW demands are INSANE! Automakers need to faze out the human labor component.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:40 am
The UAW and the auto workers have lost their minds.
Tell me again why the auto makers don’t try and move toward less human labor and more toward machines doing the assembly?
What’s the hold up on this?
The 32 hour work week with the 36% wage increase is absolutely insanity.
Bezos’s paper rag link
Tell me again why the auto makers don’t try and move toward less human labor and more toward machines doing the assembly?
What’s the hold up on this?
The 32 hour work week with the 36% wage increase is absolutely insanity.
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What are UAW workers on strike demanding?
Return to menu Better pay: the union wants a wage increase of 36 percent over four years. The automakers have presented offers ranging between 17.5 percent and 20 percent over a 4½-year contract, but the union described those increases as insufficient after years of inflation.
Better benefits: The demands include a 32-hour workweek, defined-benefit pensions for all workers instead of 401(k) accounts, and company-financed health care in retirement.
Eliminating tiered employment: The union wants to end the tiered system that puts newer workers on lower pay scales with lesser benefits. It has also called on the companies to depend less on temporary workers, while the manufacturers say hiring them allows them to operate factories efficiently.
Bezos’s paper rag link
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 10:42 am
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:42 am to Covingtontiger77
They can build my truck in Mexico, these people have gone insane.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:42 am to Covingtontiger77
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The automakers have presented offers ranging between 17.5 percent and 20 percent over a 4½-year contract, but the union described those increases as insufficient after years of inflation.
WTF the media tells me inflation is 8%
do they know something I don't?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:53 am to Covingtontiger77
Could it be they are aiming high to see what they can get?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:54 am to Covingtontiger77
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less human labor and more toward machines
That's done in the body shop. Kinda hard to have robots do the finesse work in paint, and installing windshields in Assembly is all they are capable of doing.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:55 am to Beauw
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They can build my truck in Mississipi
Let the Rust Belt and it's stupid unions rot
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:58 am to Covingtontiger77
And i want a pony
ETA: these demands should def help reduce the price of new vehicles
ETA: these demands should def help reduce the price of new vehicles
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 11:03 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:02 am to Covingtontiger77
Automakers should hold their ground on this one. Let them starve. I've got zero sympathy for these libtards.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:08 am to djcaz33
Maybe if somebody would explain why these people think they’re entitled to that kind of compensation I would understand. I mean these are not the 1920s Coal miners unions. These folks appear to already be compensated well for non skilled, experience driven labor.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:11 am to Deek
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That's done in the body shop. Kinda hard to have robots do the finesse work in paint, and installing windshields in Assembly is all they are capable of doing.
L….O….L…. Holy hell. So “robots” are capable of creating entire printed circuit boards in a nano fraction of the time and a higher quality than human hands but are somehow incapable of “finesse work.”
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:12 am to Covingtontiger77
I am 100% opposed to replacing people with robots and AI - but it's very hard to sell that pro-humanity argument when unions make demands like this, particularly in the auto industry which is out of control with new car prices and the push for EV's.
Consumers may throw their hands up and say 'bring on the robots'.
Consumers may throw their hands up and say 'bring on the robots'.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:13 am to Tesla
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L….O….L…. Holy hell. So “robots” are capable of creating entire printed circuit boards in a nano fraction of the time and a higher quality than human hands but are somehow incapable of “finesse work.”
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Tesla
Name checks out
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:18 am to Covingtontiger77
The UAW workers are pricing themselves out of the marketplace.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:22 am to Covingtontiger77
they want to only work 32 hours but not have temp workers to make up the difference.
They want 32 hours to get more overtime
They want 32 hours to get more overtime
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:23 am to Covingtontiger77
UAW need to start their own company and see how long they can stay in business
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:34 am to Covingtontiger77
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Return to menu Better pay: the union wants a wage increase of 36 percent over four years. The automakers have presented offers ranging between 17.5 percent and 20 percent over a 4½-year contract, but the union described those increases as insufficient after years of inflation.
Not exactly. Their current deal starts out new workers at something like $17-$17.50 an hour and then bumps them up to $32/hour within 4 years. That's going from ~$37k/yr to ~$66k/yr before figuring in any overtime and not taking into account any bonuses nor other raises during nor after that initial period.
What they're asking for is something like a 48% raise ON TOP of that, as well as the return to pensions and a 32-hour work week (translation: more OT pay).
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Tell me again why the auto makers don’t try and move toward less human labor and more toward machines doing the assembly?
Remember when McD's started putting in kiosks? They did that because people want to claim asking "do you want fries with that" is worth $15+ an hour. Low-end workers (and inflation) have begun the process of pricing themselves out of jobs. The UAW seems hellbent on forcing their workers into that same scenario.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:35 am to Covingtontiger77
For now the only GM plant that is striking are the ones building the GMC Canyon and Chevrolet Colorado.
Everyone else is working, for now.
Everyone else is working, for now.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:38 am to Purple Spoon
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These folks appear to already be compensated well for non skilled, experience driven labor.
I honestly thought they made more than 30$ph.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:40 am to Codythetiger
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WTF the media tells me inflation is 8%
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but the union described those increases as insufficient after years of inflation.
If their last raise was 5 years ago that's probably about right.
Still, I use to work in the medical field (physical therapy) and my reimbursement has been cut by about 8% over the last 15 years. Inflation is up ~40% over that same period.
Forget raises, I've been taking paycuts... (private practice).
I said frick it and quit once I got an offer to make more money in construction.
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