re: Two Americans are dead and two have been found alive after being kidnapped entering Mexico

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You would be surprised at the number of people in this country that think other parts of the world are just like it is in this country... Until they find out it isn't...

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Mexico certainly ain't...but it isn't as dangerous as it has been reported. I know a guy (white guy from Texas) who owns a fishing lodge on the Pacific coast. His wife's family SUPPOSEDLY runs the cartel that ran Gurrero before several cartels merged. He drives from Brownsville to Ixtapa several times a year and claims he has never had any issues outside of the normal strong arming by police and military units which usually amount to a $100 "fine" and nothing more. He would be a prime target for most of that trip IF a cartel was interested in attacking Americans. Generally speaking unless you are involved in the drug trade or a Mexican national Mexico is pretty safe....that may have changed with this incident though, depending on the actual details. It ain't unheard of but it is not common, or hasn't been in the past.

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Now an invasion of Mexico is something I can 100% get behind. Even if the Mexican government wasn’t corrupt and compromised by the cartels they still are outgunned. So let’s invade Mexico and slaughter the cartel

Unless the government really does want to carpet bomb the cartels, I don’t see it happening.

The cartels will find out who is down there and then reach across the border to capture or kill loved ones to make a point.

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This rings true.

“MSM is trying to sell this as a fight between to cartel groups and these poor Blacks just got caught up in it by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I just got back from Rio Grande City, picking up tractor parts,stopped at Mc Donald's for Coffee and a Mc Muffin, talked for about 20 min. to the Border Cops, they said this was a hold up the Blacks were carrying cash,and tried to bluff the cartel guy's and got their asses killed. Only a Stupid Black gang banger would talk Chit to the Cartel guy's on their turf, can't fix Stupid. “

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In my experience, limited admittedly to mine and my families traveling to Juarez and Tijuana for medical procedures, if someone told them they needed to bring cash they were set up from the get go. It ain't, again in my experience, a cash and carry business....because you'd be lucky to get past the border with any significant amount of cash because the Mexican border folks or the police or the military would most likely have it before you fell into the hands of any "criminals" (as if the officials in Mexico aren't criminals). If it were a legit medical establishment they would have been specifically directed NOT to have cash on them, anymore than they could afford to lose. They also would have, most likely, been picked up at the Border, in the US, and driven to the medical facility. We have crossed and driven ourselves but most of the time transportation from the border and back is provided.

There is a good chance they may have also just been the victim of a crime that wasn't cartel related. It happens in Mexico....not all crime is cartel related. There are the occasional armed robberies and the like just like in any other city. Metamoros is not "large" like Juarez and TJ but it is big enough to have crime....

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The American Mafia used to have a rule that you didn't go after cops or government officials ( unless they were dirty) because they didn't want the full power of our government coming after them. It's time we teach Mexican cartels why that was a smart rule.

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Then the cartels will have to have a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion directors. And we’ll tax them 20% off the books so that the corrupt officials get all of it. You forget the last time the govt tried to do something they “gave” them guns.

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Tummy tuck if that’s indeed what they were going do probably wasn’t covered by insurance and if they are the Medicaid types then for sure not as it’s an elective procedure. Hell even good insurance these days doesn’t cover many dermatology services. Chances are they had several thousand in cash and it was uncovered when they were shook down by the cartel for bribes. That or they are lying and went to buy drugs and cut out the middle man

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You are correct about insurance but even cosmetic and other elective surgeries done at legit places would be paid for by credit card or transfer...cash would not be wise for anyone. I would almost bet a coca cola that there is more to this story than is known to the public at this time...it would not be out of the question that the victims were indeed trying to make a contact and circumvent a known contact. If there isn't more to it the violence is highly unusual for mere tourists.....it would signify a substantial increase in the risk of crossing the border, in my mind, and I ain't overly worried about crossing the border....done it many times and would do it today....but thats with the knowledge that it is HIGHLY unusual for the violence to be focused on simple tourists. It is entirely possible to get caught in the cross fire but targeted would be unusual.

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Maybe so, but the guy was a border patrol agent. If the government was going to suppress shite going on at the border, that is exactly the kind of thing they would suppress. I can tell you for a fact that there was a period while we were there that cartels were hanging bodies off of overpasses in El Paso. That picture was in the newspaper, and a friend saw them hanging on his way to work.

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My wife and were spending a long weekend with friends in Juarez once and the police found several heads scattered about town while we were there. It was a little troubling but Juarez is no small city....no one needs to make the violence worse than it actually is, they do some crap that would be unheard of in the US and it is public record, as much as anything can be in Mexico, and well documented....


That being said I don't think there have been any corpses hung from an overpass in El Paso. There were some manequins hung by someone trying to make a point on the US side of the border but it is not likely they hung any corpses in El Paso. El Paso is surprisingly one of the safest cities of its size in the world...because criminals can do just about anything they please simply by crossing the border and 99 times out of 100 no one is stopped going south in El Paso. Heading back is an entirely different story...

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Then the cartels will have to have a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion directors. And we’ll tax them 20% off the books so that the corrupt officials get all of it. You forget the last time the govt tried to do something they “gave” them guns.

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Eliminate the prohibition of drugs in the US and suddenly the Cartels would be faced with the only enemy that can bring them down..."legit" financial institutions lining up around the corner to cash in on the windfall. Diversity, equity and inclusion at a corporate level is far worse than cartel violence...cartel violence, at its worst, ends eventually for the individual....the kind of violence visited up folks in corporate sensitivity training never goes away....