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Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
Update: Whether due to pressure from the backlash or simply realizing their action was ridiculous, Twitter has reinstated Alex Berenson and even more fascinating, has removed the 'warning' label from his tweet...
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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
And here comes the Vax Mafia.


I never get a flu shoot either. Come at me.


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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
Vax Mafia is strangely quiet.

Much like progressives when their position is indefensible.


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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
I don't get it. Why are there only 29 in the trial? Millions of doses have been given.


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I don't get it. Why are there only 29 in the trial? Millions of doses have been given.


Think about that… you think 100% of trial participants died?


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If there were only 29 in the trial we are fricked as that would be a 100% death rate from the Kung Flu.


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TigerFanatic99
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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
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Twitter has reinstated Alex Berenson and even more fascinating, has removed the 'warning' label from his tweet...


Twitter jumped the gun. They were told to allow it. This is building toward announcing the vaccine is worthless, in some cases dangerous, and 100% Trump's fault for rushing it through.


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thermal9221
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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
That seems to too small of a testing pool.


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Think about that… you think 100% of trial participants died?

I don't do twitter. I have no idea what any of this means. Am I supposed to direct my outrage at twitter or the "scientist"?


thermal9221
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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
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scientist"?



I just looked up the guy.
Hes not a scientist.
He writes for NYT.


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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
What is this pivotal clinical trial? The one Pfizer reported to the NEJM had over 43k and reported this:

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No deaths were considered by the investigators to be related to the vaccine or placebo.


NEJM
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Jack Bauers HnK
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I don't do twitter. I have no idea what any of this means. Am I supposed to direct my outrage at twitter or the "scientist"?


The text copied by OP clearly says 15 vaccinated and 14 unvaccinated trial participants died. You seemed to assume that there were only 29 trial participants by adding those two values. Perhaps we gave you too much credit for knowing that a trial would include far more participants than the small subset of those who died.


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That seems to too small of a testing pool.


The US testing pool was 40k with another > 30k internationally. Those were just the deaths from both sides of the study.


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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
Science, yo


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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
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The US testing pool was 40k with another > 30k internationally. Those were just the deaths from both sides of the study.



Unless I'm interpreting the data wrong, the 14 and 15 deaths were total deaths in the study, not deaths necessarily attributable to COVID.

It looks like 2 in the placebo group and 1 in the vax group are attributed specifically to COVID.


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Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test by Jack Bauers HnK
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I don't do twitter. I have no idea what any of this means. Am I supposed to direct my outrage at twitter or the "scientist"?


The text copied by OP clearly says 15 vaccinated and 14 unvaccinated trial participants died. You seemed to assume that there were only 29 trial participants by adding those two values. Perhaps we gave you too much credit for knowing that a trial would include far more participants than the small subset of those who died.




You are trying to conflate issues. The op was about deaths. Assuming control group and test group were same size, the jab did not decrease death rate.

Anything you take beyond that is you just trying to conflate other aspects to distract from the point.
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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
But the Destroya demands that you be vaccinated. Phuc her


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re: Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
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I don't get it. Why are there only 29 in the trial? Millions of doses have been given.


There weren't, there were/are almost 50k.

Image: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/F1.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1


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In an ongoing, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, multinational, pivotal efficacy study, 44,165 =16-year-old participants and 2,264 12-15-year-old participants


LINK to the actual study that the Twiddiot site removed.

Parts which should raise eyebrows...

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BNT162b2 is highly efficacious against COVID-19 and is currently authorized for emergency use or conditional approval worldwide. At the time of authorization, data beyond 2 months post-vaccination were unavailable.


Translation: we are guessing this won't hurt people so let's skip Phases I & II population frameworks and skip directly to Phase III. What's the worst that could happen?

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Conclusion With up to 6 months of follow-up and despite a gradually declining trend in vaccine efficacy, BNT162b2 had a favorable safety profile and was highly efficacious in preventing COVID-19.


The bolded/underlined part has me curious. Are they talking about vaccines in general (Polio, Chicken Pox, etc) or are they talking about other COVID-19 vaccines or are they saying the efficacy of their vaccine begins degrading after 6 months?

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Participants who were healthy or had stable chronic medical conditions were eligible. An active immunocompromising condition or recent immunosuppressive therapy were exclusion criteria.


COVID-19 is the new black plague (#NotRacist) so why in the bleeding shite would they not include these two groups or at least do a separate, coinciding study based in these?

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Participants with a COVID-19 medical history were excluded, though evidence of current or prior SARS-CoV-2 infection on laboratory testing of study-obtained samples was not an exclusion.


Translation: You couldn't participate if you were known to have had COVID-19 but you could if you didn't know you had ever had it or caught it during the testing. This makes little sense to me.

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Early protection against COVID-19 without robust serum neutralization indicates that neutralizing titers alone do not appear to explain early BNT162b2-mediated protection from COVID-19. Other immune mechanisms (e.g., innate immune responses, CD4+ or CD8+ T-cell responses, B-cell memory responses, antibody-dependent cytotoxicity) may contribute to protection.


Image: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/F2.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1


My takeaway from this is that the Placebo Group had an unexpected resistance to COVID-19 which paralleled the Vaccinated Group for up to two weeks.

Even then, if I am understanding the chart correctly, only .08% of the Placebo Group had COVID issues for at least up to 6 months after the test (compared to the <.01% of the Vaccine Group).

My Conclusion: You have pretty much the same chance of dying from COVID-19 whether you take the vaccine or not. While the vaccine will lessen the chances of your catching it, it's statistically irrelevant when compared to that of the unvaccinated (.08% vs <.01%).
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memphis tiger
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Much like progressives when their position is indefensible


That has never stopped them. If it had, they would have shut up a long time ago


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