re: Tucker vs Huckabee debate has posted

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God didn’t make Pilate kill Jesus, the Jewish Pharisees did.

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I'll just say this and drop it because I'm leaving.

The way I read what you're saying and others with the "Jews killed Jesus" or Jewish Pharisees or whoever... Is that Jesus was forced to die against his will.

I object strongly to that language and think what you're saying implies that heavily. Now if you're just arguing semantics or something that's fine but I'd personally change the phrasing.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, it's just that, having spent some time in Israel as both a soldier (graduated from their Jump School in the early eighties) and as a tourist (of sorts), and having a couple of Jewish friends who have served in a diplomatic capacity ... I understand, somewhat, the EXTREMELY nuanced relationship that we have with Israel.

I am of the opinion that we get as much, if not more, in return from Israel as they receive from us.

I also realize that there are great Israelis and assclown dip shite Israelis ... just as there are Conservative Israelis and far left wing commie socialist Israelis.

I do love Tel Aviv. I do love, in particular, one of my Israeli American brothers ... I am Godfather to his daughter. He's often in the news, often seen shaking hands with dignitaries from other countries.

So I too admit my bias.

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The way I read what you're saying and others with the "Jews killed Jesus" or Jewish Pharisees or whoever... Is that Jesus was forced to die against his will. I object strongly to that language and think what you're saying implies that heavily.

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The arsonist that starts the fire that kills the fireman is still culpable for the death despite the firefighter being cognizant of and choosing to lay his life down to save others.

While there is NO acceptable comparison to what Jesus did, my point is that willfully laying one's life down does not negate the guilt of those who took it.

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Maybe my biggest beef isn't with Israel so much as how our own government handles its business with regard to Israel. A bright, shining example is my (our?) Senator Graham visiting there "every two weeks"... It'd be nice if he spent that time and energy for South Carolina.

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Yeah ... we tell that POS the same thing, all the time.

AIPAC is where I have a MAJOR problem with Israel ... and Lindsey and a lot of our politicians.

AIPAC should be neutered in this country.

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Do we attempt to dictate their foreign policy? No.

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You don’t remember all the hullabaloo about Netanyahu being pressed by Trump to either do this or not do that as it pertained to decision making during the most “inflamed” opening period of the response to October 7th? I can’t imagine anyone thinking that Trump in particular doesn’t hold serious sway over Netanyahu’s (thus Israel’s) planning and decision making, especially in circumstances like those.

That was a difficult listen.


Even on points that I agree with him on…gosh, Tucker is such a little bitch.

There’s always some excuse as to why the argument you all just made somehow doesn’t apply in the instant situation. Bro, if Trump had the juice to steer the thing in the direction that he saw fit in that particular situation, then he has it for any other situation. How would it make sense that Netanyahu said “This time I’ll give you (i.e. “America” the sway to influence this thing, but not in any other situation.” Bottom line, our “aid” absolutely “buys” us some serious say in Israel’s own international affairs, aka “policy.” In contradiction to your initial assertion. So there’s one pretty substantial “benefit” our aid buys us.

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Is that Jesus was forced to die against his will.

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You think it was suicide by soldier?

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I think young Christians see the fruit of dispensationalism, they see that its rotten, and they are tired of older Christians gaslighting them into believing its good fruit.

Young white Christians are told that its the Christians of modernity(and all the degeneracy that came with it) that got it right. The Christians of yesteryear(that built the most beautiful cities, art, infrastructure...western civilization) got it wrong for segregating Jews and/or kicking them out of their country. You see we are the good Christians, the 1900 years before us...they were bad

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I asked both my dad and FIL about this over Christmas. Both Deacons in the SBTC.

They both had the same answer of referring back to Genesis 15 and 16. Neither conversations were combative, but they were entirely ignorant of Romans 11-13, and surprisingly ignorant of the current state of Israel. Neither of them knew about anything after the Balfour Declaration and neither of them knew how rampant abortion and LGBT stuff was.

Don't fault either man, but there are a million things they could convince me of, but I was entirely unconvinced by either of their arguments, and honestly surprised that their opinions of Israel didn't go past the Old Testament. I wasn't as well researched as Tucker on this about citizenship requirements, but know a whole lot of the geopolitical history due to Martyr Made and reading things (pro and anti-Zionist) since 10/7/23.

There is something about people 60+ that are convinced aligning with a secular nation that mocks their Savior morally and religiously earns them brownie points with God, but it's lost on people younger than that.

My son came home from a Christian university and I had made a joke about Nicholas Fuentes to which he made a "the joos" joke.

I asked him about it and he went through a list of immoral things committed and pushed upon the American people by secular Jews (that I already knew about) by naming names in the LGBT movement, rampant immigration, porn, abortion, usury, etc.

I'm not anti-Israel. I am more pro-Israel than I am any other nation in the Middle East, but I can still recognize that they are the least awful country in a pile of awful countries.