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re: Tucker vs Huckabee debate has posted
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:46 pm to JoeHackett
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:46 pm to JoeHackett
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I can't imagine you call out something that "means nothing" to you
Does overt hate really need an overused word for one to be able to call it out?
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The latter example meant to elicit anger towards Jews and is a gross misunderstanding of Christianity. (Also both posts have zero to do with modern day Israel)
Would that be the same as blaming illegal immigration on the Catholic church in an attempt to elicit anger towards that church?
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:51 pm to davyjones
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They haven’t even so much as bothered to google what the stated benefits are derived from this relationship that exist now and have been so over time
Other than a strategic foothold in the area, what other great benefit is there?
Do any of the benefits really outweigh the blowback?
Isreal is such a good ally, that benefits us so much, that they withheld intelligence that showed Iraq had no WMDs. Instead they played cheerleader to a wrongful invasion. An invasion whose ripple effects are just now dying down. Yeah, that was definitely a positive benefit.
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:23 pm to scrooster
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Pope John Paul II, arguably one of the most influential of anyone in the Christian faith and a remarkable man was also a "Christian Zionist."
Ew.
Huck's faith is cucked.
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:27 pm to UtahCajun
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Dies overt hate really need an overused word for one to be able to call it out?
I don't know.
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Would that be the same as blaming illegal immigration on the Catholic church in an attempt to elicit anger towards that church?
I don't think so but maybe a little. Jews didn't murder Jesus but the Catholic church has been instrumental in illegal immigration so that's a little bit of a false equivalency. However if someone were to point that out only to elicit anger, then that would be wrong.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:29 pm to UtahCajun
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Isreal is such a good ally, that benefits us so much, that they withheld intelligence that showed Iraq had no WMDs. Instead they played cheerleader to a wrongful invasion. An invasion whose ripple effects are just now dying down. Yeah, that was definitely a positive benefit.
Hey, you asked for it, you gonna get it. Brace yourself, maybe find someplace comfortable to sit.
See, I think you’re reaching there again. It wasn’t some big secret that the assertion that there were WMD’s in Iraq was in serious question. Hell there’s actually a pretty popular sentiment out there that our government even knew that full well, but concealed it for purposes of moving forward with a justification for invasion. You don’t remember all that? Our leaders had plenty, plenty enough reason and evidence within their possession and knowledge to call into very, very serious doubt the hefty allegations re: WMD. So Im not at all convinced that Israel had some sort of evidence that would have shocked our leadership with doubt as to whether their allegations were founded on solid “ground.” They already had every reason to doubt their own claims.
So you mentioned “strategic foothold in the area.” I don’t think that’s pondered quite seriously enough, JMO. That part of the world, its anti-American bad actors along with “allies” of same located any possible place throughout the world, has indeed presented the most actionable and realistic threat to our national security both at home and abroad, for many decades now. Yes, I’m specifically referring to terrorism and state-sanctioned terrorism. So IMO that region is the most important place to have a very strong “strategic foothold.” That’s just one of many. It’s a matter of whether one agrees with the justifications or not. The “THE democracy in an otherwise dictatorial neighborhood” as well as the point/argument re: Judeo-Christian values and relationship, while I guess not so much to some folks, is more so a very important aspect to countless Americans.
Other than those, as this response could potentially go way, way too long on my part (lol), seriously, just for the hell of it, do actually google “what benefits do America receive for giving aid to Israel” or something along those lines will produce some thoughts that one may either disagree with and toss in the trash can, or perhaps bring attention to some points/arguments that one may not have previously considered. It’s worth a google. Especially considering the level of “passion” involved in this running debate.
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:37 pm to deeprig9
Ah, but Jews like Ben Shapiro “don’t give a damn about the browning of America”.
You see the hypocrisy? They’re allowed to have an ethnostate but White Christians are not.
You see the hypocrisy? They’re allowed to have an ethnostate but White Christians are not.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:38 pm to JoeHackett
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I don't think so but maybe a little. Jews didn't murder Jesus but the Catholic church has been instrumental in illegal immigration so that's a little bit of a false equivalency.
In that case I could say the Jewish faith, with the way it teaches that non-Jews are cattle, was instrumental in Epstein's as well as Wexner's sex trade.
Individuals in places of power, who make policy =/= an entire belief.
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:41 pm to davyjones
Benefits? Oh, you mean like syphoning our money and getting our politicians involved with people like Epstein?
Face it. America was a better country before Israel gained a foothold as a nation.
Face it. America was a better country before Israel gained a foothold as a nation.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:44 pm to Jack Ruby
All I know is if there is a God everyone on earth prays to the same one. Whether they like it or not. They can argue what he looks like and what his name is and everything about him. They can argue how to pray to him but everyone looks up in the sky and either praises or curses the same clouds.
Jewish ideologies will never let go that they are some how chosen and above the rest of the world.
Jewish ideologies will never let go that they are some how chosen and above the rest of the world.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:51 pm to Sizzle_DAWG
I’m not making a farfetched case that there are benefits where they couldn’t possibly exist, and I’m not making any argument in support of continuation of this or any particular “program.” However neither am I proactively arguing against anything. All I’m doing is highlighting the existence of at least some inarguable aspects of benefit that has openly been known to exist in exchange for our aid. I mean, you can dislike Israel and still see some areas where our country derives some benefit from this setup.
By the way, have you or anyone else for that matter actually looked into what any of the referenced aid even goes to? Here’s a hint, not that I’m some damn expert or something: a great deal of it comes right back to this country in the form of payment for an area of “goods” that are pretty crucial for Israel’s continued security.
By the way, have you or anyone else for that matter actually looked into what any of the referenced aid even goes to? Here’s a hint, not that I’m some damn expert or something: a great deal of it comes right back to this country in the form of payment for an area of “goods” that are pretty crucial for Israel’s continued security.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 4:06 pm to davyjones
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See, I think you’re reaching there again. It wasn’t some big secret that the assertion that there were WMD’s in Iraq was in serious question. Hell there’s actually a pretty popular sentiment out there that our government even knew that full well, but concealed it
Kinda like what is happening with Isreali intelligence in Iran today?
You seem smart enough to realize that no nation, not even us can rebuild underground enrichment facilities in less than 6 months. Yet these are Bibi's claims.
So no, I do not for one second doubt that our government gave us bad info prior to invading Iraq. I am just amazed that you cannot even entertain that the same thing is happening right now with Iran.
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So you mentioned “strategic foothold in the area.” I don’t think that’s pondered quite seriously enough, JMO. That part of the world, its anti-American bad actors along with “allies” of same located any possible place throughout the world, has indeed presented the most actionable and realistic threat to our national security both at home and abroad, for many decades now. Yes, I’m specifically referring to terrorism and state-sanctioned terrorism. So IMO that region is the most important place to have a very strong “strategic foothold.” That’s just one of many. It’s a matter of whether one agrees with the justifications or not. The “THE democracy in an otherwise dictatorial neighborhood” as well as the point/argument re: Judeo-Christian values and relationship, while I guess not so much to some folks, is more so a very important aspect to countless Americans.
A lot here.
You say they are anti-American.
Other Muslim nations in the same area are not?
Could it be that we instigated it?
We have actively instigated regime changes in that area ever since the Brits asked us to help them keep control over Iran's oil.
You mention them as a threat to us both at home and abroad.
Are you serious Clark?
I mean, they have very little hope to be able to project any kind of force towards us.
In reality no single or collection of nations stand even a chance against us. The entire world could declare war on us this very minute and we would still win. You really need to understand that.
You mention state sanctioned terrorism.
You mean like Islamic State or Al Qaeda? Just two that we funded and trained. You may mean Muslim Brotherhood. One that we now fund since we helped legitimized.
You mention Judeo-Christian values.
This is a myth. Christians share just as many values with Jews as they do with Muslims. In fact Jews hate Christians. Sure, you say anti-semitic, but we do not teach our young that non-Christians are nothing but cattle to be used in any way neccessary.
Nope. Not seeing any benefit there.
I see a country, the size of Rhode Island with a PM who constantly tells his people that he owns us and that we will do whatever he tells us to do (all of which is on video and is verifiable). I see a country, the size of Rhode Island who has spied on us, stolen from us and attacked us(all actions of an enemy, not an ally).
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 4:11 pm to davyjones
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Here’s a hint, not that I’m some damn expert or something: a great deal of it comes right back to this country in the form of payment for an area of “goods” that are pretty crucial for Israel’s continued security
Only Keynesians could argue that by spending money, we are saving money.
Basically dude, you are arguing for the military industrial complex. That is not even close to a beneficial arguement for the people of tUSA or anywhere else.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 4:21 pm to UtahCajun
Firstly, if you’ll notice I specified that it’s another matter altogether whether one agrees with the nature of the referenced benefits, i.e. it’s of no surprise whatsoever that there would be those amongst us who disagree, from a little to a lot. Thus what we’re experiencing right here. That’s a completely natural process.
Bottom line is that the whole thing is so far ranging and nuanced that it’s almost a fool’s errand to even attempt to convince a person to migrate in one direction or the other. You and I are probably in disagreement in just the first inch of a thousand mile distance.
For example, you’re placing obviously somewhat significant weight on the aspect of ongoing tension over reconstitution of full on uranium enrichment, and you say Netanyahu is intentionally exacerbating the situation in an attempt to get us further involved from that angle……however, I don’t even get the sense that as far as Trump’s current impasse with Iran that uranium enrichment is at the top of the list, as far as we’re concerned. So if Netanyahu is playing games using enrichment to trip us into a war on that basis, it doesn’t appear to me to be working. Thus he’s spinning his wheels.
Bottom line is that the whole thing is so far ranging and nuanced that it’s almost a fool’s errand to even attempt to convince a person to migrate in one direction or the other. You and I are probably in disagreement in just the first inch of a thousand mile distance.
For example, you’re placing obviously somewhat significant weight on the aspect of ongoing tension over reconstitution of full on uranium enrichment, and you say Netanyahu is intentionally exacerbating the situation in an attempt to get us further involved from that angle……however, I don’t even get the sense that as far as Trump’s current impasse with Iran that uranium enrichment is at the top of the list, as far as we’re concerned. So if Netanyahu is playing games using enrichment to trip us into a war on that basis, it doesn’t appear to me to be working. Thus he’s spinning his wheels.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 4:33 pm to UtahCajun
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Only Keynesians could argue that by spending money, we are saving money
My bro, just because that’s the way you wish to view it doesn’t mean that’s the way I said and intended it. I didn’t mention a thing about “saving money,” did I? In fact, I really didn’t make any argumentative assertion by that particular statement at all. It was more of a “fun fact.”
But I do think it’s worth noting that at least some of the aid does immediately make its way back to our country, more relevantly into our economy. Which isn’t a benefit that justifies the whole “program,” but it is a bit of a different story than what so many amongst us think is the case, which is that we’re just shipping Israel cash that they turn around and use for whatever creature comforts they want.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 4:50 pm to scrooster
From Huckabee
That and this
Stuck out to me... it kind of smacks of Black Lives Matter... you're either on board with the whole BLM agenda or you admit black lives don't matter, no middle ground.
Does Israel have a "right to exist"? Surely no more and no less than any other nation.
Does Israel have an inherent right to other countries' support (policy and treasure) in order to exist? That's a whole different question.
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Lots of Christians who don't have a theological basis for supporting Israel are actually Zionists because they support Israel's right to exist in safety and security.
That and this
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Tucker, I couldn't get you to say you support Israel's right to exist during our interview. All you need to do is believe that Israel has a right to exist..
Stuck out to me... it kind of smacks of Black Lives Matter... you're either on board with the whole BLM agenda or you admit black lives don't matter, no middle ground.
Does Israel have a "right to exist"? Surely no more and no less than any other nation.
Does Israel have an inherent right to other countries' support (policy and treasure) in order to exist? That's a whole different question.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 4:50 pm to Jack Ruby
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:00 pm to davyjones
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My bro, just because that’s the way you wish to view it doesn’t mean that’s the way I said and intended
Well, we may not agree, but good BSing with you anyway.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:55 pm to Jack Ruby
It’s hilarious watching people say that we should continue doing everything we can to provide for all of Israel’s needs at the expense of our own people. A bunch of cucks.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 6:00 pm to jnethe1
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It’s hilarious watching people say that we should continue doing everything we can to provide for all of Israel’s needs at the expense of our own people. A bunch of cucks.
Oh, I see. You’re in a mental hospital. Now it makes sense. Laughing hysterically at things that are a figment of your imagination.
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