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re: Tucker Carlson interviews a Greek Orthodox nun living & sharing the gospel in Palestine.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:13 pm to Narax
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:13 pm to Narax
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Agreed the settlers are terrible, has there been a shooting of Christians by settlers like you said?
Yep, 3 kids killed in June. Here’s BBC link.
LINK
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:23 pm to mudshuvl05
Best part is when they are shown proof in links or videos they just spew the ole Teddy Cruz, Huckabee, Lindsey Graham line of “if you bless Israel, you will be blessed.” Not knowing that verse is specifically relating to Abraham not the State of Israel 
it’s all lies and deception.
Netanyahu and his Zionist extremist regime are only interested in forming “greater Israel” and what they see as building the 3rd temple.
If you speak up about it you are labeled a lefty loon. No, I’m a registered conservative and I can spot out blatant genocide and terrorism when I see it.
it’s all lies and deception. Netanyahu and his Zionist extremist regime are only interested in forming “greater Israel” and what they see as building the 3rd temple.
If you speak up about it you are labeled a lefty loon. No, I’m a registered conservative and I can spot out blatant genocide and terrorism when I see it.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:27 pm to Broyota2
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Yep, 3 kids killed in June. Here’s BBC link.
Where were those kids Christian?
That's a Muslim town
Why the constant effort in this thread to blur the line between Christians in West Bank and Muslims.
In this, in that nun video.
This post was edited on 8/14/25 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:58 pm to mudshuvl05
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No knock on you personally if you're being genuine in your question (a toss up on this board) but good lord, the ignorance on this board.
I see like VotM Israel as a hostile place for Christians, but considering the rape and murder in Nigeria and Sudan, I really cannot see Israel as the major threat to Christians.
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There's been an erasure of Christians by "settlers," and it has accelerated. It's not up for debate. It's an objective fact, but boomers can't look things up on their own.
OK lets define erasure.
56% of Palestinian Christians live in the diaspora,
30% live in Israel
15% live in West Bank
Less than 1% in Gaza
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Christian Arabs are one of the most educated groups in Israel. Statistically, Christian Arabs in Israel have the highest rates of educational attainment among all religious communities, according to a data by Israel Central Bureau of Statistics in 2010, 63% of Israeli Christian Arabs have had college or postgraduate education, the highest of any religious and ethno-religious group. Despite the fact that Arab Christians only represent 2.1% of the total Israeli population, in 2014 they accounted for 17.0% of the country's university students, and for 14.4% of its college students.
So again.
They are doing well, in Israel, I agree in west Bank there is a settler issue.
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Shootings? Not only shootings and murder of Christians by "settlers," but the burning and destruction of ancient Christian sites afterwards.
OK no one has provided any links about Christians being shot by settlers.
I cant find anything on it, I saw where settlers set a fire at Taybeh, and then later 3 Muslims were shot by Israeli soldiers who were under fire at al-Mughayyir.
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This place is the reddit version of leftist loon prog shitstain ideologues, but for Israel/Trump cultists. They are the gods of far too many people on this board, especially Christians, which is pathetic and sad.
OK but if we are going to talk about this seriously we have to document and be factual.
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Christendom is Israel. Not Netanyahu and Mossad, nor the state of Israel.
No matter how much Ted Cruz, et al. command you all to worship Israel, it doesn't make it Biblically true just because his pockets are overflowing with their money.
Christ is God. America First.
Christendom is the church.
The seed of Israel is the Jewish people, though ironically I'm sure most of the world now is descendants of Isaac.... which is interesting...
Israel is a country that happens to be an American ally like Taiwan and Japan, allies who are surrounded by people who dislike them.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 1:02 am to mudshuvl05
People who support Israel are simply uninformed and misled as we have been for almost a century. They are not the good guys, are not America’s friend, and certainly not friends of Christians.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 8:32 am to 62zip
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Welcome aboard. How long have you been one of us?
Started journey in 2019 and baptized into the Church 2024. Been a long journey but I am finally home.
Lord willing, we’ll cross paths this side of paradise.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 9:02 am to mudshuvl05
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There's been an erasure of Christians by "settlers," and it has accelerated. It's not up for debate. It's an objective fact, but boomers can't look things up on their own.
You have to differentiate to a large degree between the radical settler movement and the Israeli government and population at large. They are not really reflective of the broader state. These extremists and the ultra-orthodox are a problem for the Israeli government as well. The Israeli government are constantly battling the expansion of settlers further into the West Bank. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming out Gaza by the IDF 20 years ago so they could turn it over to the Palestinains. Israel has to fight their own internal battles with these people. Recall - a settler assassinated Prime Ministe Rabin for making peace concessions. Israel sort of waxes and wanes on expanding territories so under a right wing government like Netanyahu they are likely encouraging settler expansion with a wink and nod. I would imagine after October 7th they are interested in expanding to create more buffer security zones.
Israel remains a liberal western style democracy and has been tolerant of ethnic and religious minorities despite what some radical settle community does. There are Palestinian Arabs that Israeli citizens and serve in the Knesset (though not the iDF). Others like the Druse serve in both. A lot of Christian sites are under Israeli control. Overall Israel s far far more tolerant than any other place in the Middle East.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 9:12 am to mudshuvl05
Why should anyone take you seriously on here when you are taking victory laps in supporting Muslims while claiming shes a Catholic nun doing God's work there
Convienniently leaving out the fact that shes Clinton spokesperson George Stephanopolous sister, who got sued for his distortions, and that shes not a even a Catholic. Then when nailed for that claim Greek Orthodox is almost like being Catholic
Your knowledge appears extremely limited
Convienniently leaving out the fact that shes Clinton spokesperson George Stephanopolous sister, who got sued for his distortions, and that shes not a even a Catholic. Then when nailed for that claim Greek Orthodox is almost like being Catholic
Your knowledge appears extremely limited
Posted on 8/15/25 at 9:43 am to Narax
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Where were those kids Christian? That's a Muslim town
Are you just trying to make stuff up to make yourself feel better? I give you clear links, there’s been 4 children alone killed in and around taybeh and it’s been confirmed. “I must be shown they are dead Christian kids or they aren’t being persecuted” like what
they are being forced off of their land at gunpoint with groves and property burnt to the ground. It shows they are doing it to Christian and Muslim villages alike. How are you not seeing the issue with this? Show me a non idf/daily wire link that refutes it. The blind faith to support a country that despises you is some of the weirdest shite I’ve ever seen.
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:03 am to RobbBobb
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while claiming shes a Catholic nun doing God's work there
He never said that…you did.
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Then when nailed for that claim Greek Orthodox is almost like being Catholic
It’s absolutely nothing like being ROMAN Catholic.
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Your knowledge appears extremely limited
Do you even see the irony in such a non self-aware statement?
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:06 am to Broyota2
quote:It's rampant on this board - partly because so many evangelical protestant sects worship the modern day state of Israel as much as they worship Christ, and partly because they worship President Trump and couldn't fathom disagreeing with him on any level. There's a third group too: people who aren't Christians at all but pretend like they are to push an Israel first narrative and make the former people feel better about themselves.
Show me a non idf/daily wire link that refutes it. The blind faith to support a country that despises you is some of the weirdest shite I’ve ever seen.
You can show them all the objective facts, undeniable truths, etc., but they'll still make excuses for Christians being slaughtered and cleansed of the land by Zionists. They'll tell you with a straight face that those aren't real Christians, that there are no holy sites so it's fine if settlers loot and destroy them, that Christendom is not the new, actual Israel, and any other abhorrent excuses they can find.
They'll make every excuse under the sun and they ALWAYS will revert back to whataboutism, as if anyone is saying that Muslims don't also slaughter Christians too. As if that makes it okay. It's pathetic and it's mental midgetry. They will stand flat footed and tell you not to believe what Christians in the holy land say about their relationship with Muslims. They'll insist that Nigerian Muslims are just like Palestinian, West Bank, Syrian, Lebanese and Iraqi Muslims in the holy land who live side by side with Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Christians in relative peace compared to Muslim countries a continent away and outside the holy land. They will plug their ears when Christians in the holy land tell them they have no love for Israelis and what they are doing to them. It's an affront from all sides, but it's only the Muslims and the Muslims alone who are doing it.
They cannot think for themselves, they can only groupthink and go by what pastor Terry at their reformed Southern Baptist pop up church says, or they think they're above the body of Christ and can have church sitting in a deer stand.
They'll quote verses from the sermon on the mount, use eisegesis instead of exegesis to pick and choose, and then in the same breath laud the slaughter of human beings who are made in God's image.
They agree with Ted Cruz, and they too would gladly sign bombs paid for with their taxes to be dropped on "fake" Christians' heads. They put Israel first because they are a cult. You cannot reason with them.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:14 am to Broyota2
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Are you just trying to make stuff up to make yourself feel better?
None of them were Christian.
STOP conflating the two, this shows you know you were lying, and lying intentionally.
You clearly said they were shooting Christians.
quote:No one was killed IN Taybeh So stop lying.
I give you clear links, there’s been 4 children alone killed in and around taybeh and it’s been confirmed.
If you want to make a claim that Israel is killing Muslims fine, but that's a separate discussion from Israel is killing Christians.
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“I must be shown they are dead Christian kids or they aren’t being persecuted” like what they are being forced off of their land at gunpoint with groves and property burnt to the ground. It shows they are doing it to Christian and Muslim villages alike. How are you not seeing the issue with this?
You need to post proof of dead Christian kids, because those are YOUR claims, which even you admit have zero proof.
Do you think Arabs and Christians live side by side as neighbors over there like they do here?
No, Christians live in their own villages, partially out of protection
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2011-006179_EN.html
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Show me a non idf/daily wire link that refutes it. The blind faith to support a country that despises you is some of the weirdest shite I’ve ever seen.
No one actually has reported it, you made it up, the question is why?
Are you a fool?
Are you just an anti-Semite?
Are you a Muslim?
Why make a claim that is literally wrong?
You continuing to blur the line just degrades any credibility you might have possessed.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:26 am to mudshuvl05
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You can show them all the objective facts, undeniable truths, etc., but they'll still make excuses for Christians being slaughtered and cleansed of the land by Zionists. They'll tell you with a straight face that those aren't real Christians, that there are no holy sites so it's fine if settlers loot and destroy them, that Christendom is not the new, actual Israel, and any other abhorrent excuses they can find.
Look, you want to be taken seriously, try to put up proof behind your claims.
I want you to specifically show facts about Christians slaughtered by Israeli settlers. You claim this multiple times, it feels very urban legend at this point after all the searching I've done.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2011-006179_EN.html
EU report on the threats of violence and rape by Hamas to keep the Christian community in line.
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They'll make every excuse under the sun and they ALWAYS will revert back to whataboutism, as if anyone is saying that Muslims don't also slaughter Christians too. As if that makes it okay. It's pathetic and it's mental midgetry.
Yea when asked for proof to your claims you seem to ignore that you haven't been able to find any... You asked if I was being serious, I was, and you showed how not serious you were.
I've agreed with the hostility and settlers being a problem for Christians in West Bank, but you claimed killings, and those are fictional.
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They will stand flat footed and tell you not to believe what Christians in the holy land say about their relationship with Muslims.
I know many Christians in the Arab Christian Diaspora, I know exactly what they say.
I know what Arab Christians in Israel say.
You are the one saying don't believe them.
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. They'll insist that Nigerian Muslims are just like Palestinian, West Bank, Syrian, Lebanese and Iraqi Muslims in the holy land who live side by side with Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Christians in relative peace compared to Muslim countries a continent away and outside the holy land.
That's a lie, you don't seem to know anyone. I have family members who are part of the Syrian Christian Diaspora, Muslims will only allow you peace if they can rule you.
Is your argument that Muslims are good? It sure seems that.
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They will plug their ears when Christians in the holy land tell them they have no love for Israelis and what they are doing to them. It's an affront from all sides, but it's only the Muslims and the Muslims alone who are doing it.
You are the one plugging your ears. Go check out that EU report.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:33 am to mudshuvl05
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the trenches of Palestine, and it doesn't fit the American/Israeli media narrative at all.
Which is what?
The VAST majority of the reporting from NBC,ABC,CBS,WAPO,NYT,etc about the war in Gaza has pro Hamas/anti Israel at the very minimum.
They CONTINUALLY cite the Hamas controlled" Gaza Health Ministries" in reporting civilian deaths and
other '"atrocities"
Phony Gaza reporting with Hamas sources
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:37 am to RD Dawg
IMHO we are not getting the truth about what's going on in Gaza.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 11:13 am to Narax
quote:As do I, there are many in my Parish, one of which has had entire extended Christian family members killed by the IDF in Palestine, but you're not going to see that on an EU report. It doesn't matter what your anecdotal, supposed Arab Christian people say (nor mine), it's objectively true with a little bit of research how Christians in the holy land feel about Israel, and not only because the Orthodox and Catholic faiths recognize the Church as the new Israel, but also because of what is being done to them.
I know many Christians in the Arab Christian Diaspora, I know exactly what they say.
I know what Arab Christians in Israel say.
quote:Just like I said: same old same old whataboutism. Okay, and? Who said things were perfect? Not I, not mother Agapia, not anyone else.
EU report on the threats of violence and rape by Hamas to keep the Christian community in line.
quote:I'm not ignoring anything, I don't live on this forum, I can't stay on top of every reply like it's a job. Furthermore, the fact that others have given you something to chew on (as have I, in many posts in the past) and you've disregarded any of it, leads me back to what I said: you won't believe it, even if you are shown it: According to Narax, the Taybeh murders weren't on Christians because the link didn't explicitly say it, regardless of the fact that Taybeh is a Christian village. Only you get to make up the narrative, apparently, so why would I pull up bookmarked, on the ground Twitter posts, link them, church reports, other sources, etc., when it won't matter? You're in a cult obsession with a foreign rogue state who hates my Christ, or you're an asset for Israel, one. It's not worth it - just like I told the guy before - not worth it. I said in the OP, if you're in the cult, keep it moving, because you're not going to listen to learn, but to reply, and here we are going round and round again.
Yea when asked for proof to your claims you seem to ignore that you haven't been able to find any
quote:Quite literally an unadulterated lie. It is not fictional. Come to my parish and listen to our Palestinian Christian brothers (Lebanese, too - Israel has terrorized predominantly Christian areas in Lebanon) and they will tell you, just like the internet will, but you won't listen because you don't actually care. To say it's fictional is an abomination - just who in the hell do you think you are to proclaim such, son?
I've agreed with the hostility and settlers being a problem for Christians in West Bank, but you claimed killings, and those are fictional.
quote:More whataboutism. Pathetic.
Is your argument that Muslims are good? It sure seems that.
quote:The whataboutism link? I addressed that in my earlier post: it's a chickenshit, disingenuous, disgusting hack job that people like you use to justify Israel's actions on Christians and non-Christians alike. You have the answer in your hand to look and see what Israel is doing to Christians in Palestine, the west bank, and the holy lands in and adjacent to Israel, but again: you do not care.
You are the one plugging your ears. Go check out that EU report.
Tell the class: what is your background? Are you Christian? What denomination? American born? I'm curious, since you're not and have completely written off Christian persecution and even murder as, "fictional"? What do you think about Zionism?
Posted on 8/15/25 at 11:18 am to mudshuvl05
Posted on 8/15/25 at 11:39 am to mudshuvl05
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there are many in my Parish, one of which has had entire extended Christian family members killed by the IDF in Palestine, but you're not going to see that on an EU report.
So entire family gunned down by the IDF and totally hushed up...
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It doesn't matter what your anecdotal, supposed Arab Christian people say (nor mine),
I think we agree there only facts matter.
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it's objectively true with a little bit of research how Christians in the holy land feel about Israel, and not only because the Orthodox and Catholic faiths recognize the Church as the new Israel, but also because of what is being done to them.
Again you cant say something is objectively true and just be anecdotal.
Give data, give news reports, investigations.
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Just like I said: same old same old whataboutism. Okay, and? Who said things were perfect? Not I, not mother Agapia, not anyone else.
OK there is a big difference between living in peace which is your claim, and having threats of rape and violence against your family. Like the Christian bookseller in Gaza who was firebombed and murdered.
That's far less than not "perfect".
What do you think will happen to the people Agapia knows if she calls out Hamas?
Rape and murder.
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I'm not ignoring anything, I don't live on this forum, I can't stay on top of every reply like it's a job.
Oh bullshite you responded to one of your echo chamber buddies and referenced my post in detail.
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According to Narax, the Taybeh murders weren't on Christians because the link didn't explicitly say it, regardless of the fact that Taybeh is a Christian village.
There were NO murders in Taybeh, that's a bold face lie.
There were 3 people killed in a Muslim town a mile away. Look at the map, there is a whole town between the two.
Again facts unless you are one of those "my truth" liberals.
No news reports actually says anyone was killed in Taybeh. Arson yes, harassment yes.
No one died or was shot there.
You made it up!
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if you're in the cult, keep it moving, because you're not going to listen to learn, but to reply, and here we are going round and round again.
You are in a cult of your truth, I am willing to get to the bottom of these claims no matter who is guilty.
But you arent, you keep claiming things that are just untrue.
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listen to our Palestinian Christian brothers (Lebanese, too - Israel has terrorized predominantly Christian areas in Lebanon) and they will tell you, just like the internet will, but you won't listen because you don't actually care. To say it's fictional is an abomination - just who in the hell do you think you are to proclaim such, son?
You just said the same about my anecdotal witnesses.
What church is this being said at?
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Tell the class: what is your background? Are you Christian? What denomination? American born? I'm curious, since you're not and have completely written off Christian persecution and even murder as, "fictional"? What do you think about Zionism?
Sure I'll go first, but if you dont go next then you admit you are entirely full of shite.
Yes I am Christian
I am non denominational
Yes proudly born here
I have not written them off as fictional, only the ones you pretend were in Taybeh that weren't. Multiple factual reports place those shootings in a Muslim town two towns over.
And I think Zionism is a Jewish religious political movement like many others in the world, I have no specific attachment to it.
Now you go, and provide more than "your truth"
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