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re: Trumps war on Venezuela

Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:06 pm to
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
147 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:06 pm to
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It’s clear this has nothing to do with drugs


But we’re targeting drug boats. We can make up all the theories we want as to why we’re sinking drug boats but the fact of the matter is that drug traffickers died. That’s a good thing.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
6662 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:07 pm to
Do you think all drug traffickers in America should be put to death?
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
6662 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:08 pm to
If we were worried about drugs, we would be worried about the drug that is doing the killing right now, in America, which is fentanyl. Why don’t we do anything about the mexican drug cartels that are bringing in fentanyl and killing off our young people? What drugs are they trafficking?
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
147 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:11 pm to
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What drugs are they trafficking?


I assume cocaine or whatever kind of drugs are trafficked out of Venezuela.

Are you implying that there were no drugs and the admin is lying about it?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31689 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:12 pm to
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Why are we really doing this? Is this all a precursor to a war that would make the Iraq war look legitimate and justified? In other words, is this all setting us up for a regime change war against Venezuela?

Adam Smith

It’s broader than that. Let’s separate this into three categories. One, legitimate concern. We’ve got a drug problem in the U.S. A drug problem that has accelerated since the introduction of fentanyl, which has a higher overdose death rate, certainly than cocaine, than a variety of other drugs. This has nothing to do with fentanyl. Remember that. This is all cocaine, no fentanyl down there. They’ll try to say fentanyl at every step. In fact, I had to stop Admiral Bradley a couple times when he mentioned, I said, this… don’t say the word fentanyl, it doesn’t have anything to do with fentanyl. Okay, so we do have drugs. What should we do about that drug problem in general? So we can talk about that. Second, you know, do we want to obey the law, or is one of our options, in terms of dealing with drugs, to go, sort of, forgive me, all Duterte on the problem, and just kill a bunch of people? No due process, no, it’s like, drugs are a problem, therefore, we’re not going to take any chances. We think you’re a drug dealer, we’re going to use lethal force on you. That is directly contradictory to the U.S. Constitution and the way we’re supposed to do things, but we’re gonna have that conversation. But the big thing that’s going on here is Trump’s desire to consolidate power in his hands, number one, and number two, to dominate the Western Hemisphere in a 19th century sphere of influence sort of way, alright? The drugs, I don’t think, are central to what he’s doing. You’ve got the pardon of the former Honduran president as evidence, which, by the way, that pardon seems to be tied to Trump’s desire to affect the outcome the elections in Honduras, so that a pro-Trump person can be elected. And this goes back to, we’re going to invade Greenland, because it’s part of our sphere of influence, we’re going to invade Panama, we’re going to annex Canada. It’s this 19th century way of looking at the world. So I think this is about Trump wanting to, A, show, again, law doesn’t apply to him. He’s president, he does what he wants to do. If he can push the boundaries of that and smash him, then that opens up more power for him to do what he wants, and second, that he will be able to control the Western Hemisphere. Maduro is not on his positive list there, neither is Petro in Colombia, so he wants to put pressure on them. ultimately, hopefully do regime change in both places so we can have a more sympathetic leader down there, and that’s what this is about. And we’ve talked about the Honduras person. I keep trying to bring up, no one seems to want to take this up, you remember Ross Albrecht, the Silk Road crypto guy? This guy basically used the secret nature of cryptocurrency and a secure app to launder billions of dollars in drug money and other illegal, illicit activity as well, but that’s what he was convicted of. He was laundering drug money. That guy had every little bit as much to do with spreading drugs across the United States of America as Maduro or these 24 anarcho-terrorist groups did. Trump pardoned him. You know, because he was a political supporter, and he’d promised the crypto goons that he’d do that. So… you know, this doesn’t, to my mind, have a lot to do with interdicting the drug problem in the U.S. It has to do with asserting Trump’s power personally, so he doesn’t have to obey the law. And second, his whole sphere of influence. And then, to make my friend Simon Rosenberg happy, I always tie this in to Ukraine. All right. Why did he offer up a surrender agreement to Putin? And why in the national security strategy does a threat from Russia not even mention? Okay, we crap all over Europe in that for a variety of different reasons. Don’t even see Putin as a threat, because if Trump gets his Western Hemisphere, what does he care if Putin gets his Eastern Europe? And that… and then I could go off on a long conversation about how we developed our national security policy to change all of that. To come up with post-World War II rules-based order that tried to respect sovereignty, tried to get us out of the business of, as was aptly described by somebody, I don’t remember who said it, you know, the strong take what they want, the weak suffer what they must. That was the world prior to the end of World War II. And that world led to endless wars, terrible poverty, mass death, 70 million people died in World War II at the culmination of that way of looking at the world. No rules, just power. That’s the world that Trump wants to create, and that’s what this is about a hell of a lot more than it is the impact that cocaine being shipped into the United States is having, which is admittedly very negative and something we ought to do about. I have ideas on how we should actually address that issue, but like I said, it’s really more about the power dynamic.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 6:12 pm
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
6662 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:13 pm to
I’m not implying anything, I am just asking a question. I think it certainly matters what the drugs they allegedly are trafficking are.

It is certainly possible, that there are no drugs in this instance, and it is possible they are trafficking cocaine. Should all cocaine dealers in America be put to death?
Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
1282 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:20 pm to
1, he is not intelligent enough for doctrines or discussions to elaborate either way,

2.get back at / take Venezuelas oil yes, All day!

3. Drugs fighting and pardoning? Can't have it both ways.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135510 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:34 pm to
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so what you’ve heard from Senator Cotton and some others is simply false. That is not an accurate depiction of what was going on in the boat.
bullshite!!

Again, sorry. I'm sure you trust the (virtually certainly) lying POS making the claims you're quoting. And to be brutally candid, neither of us know the actual facts. But again, the decision for a second hit was not made without JAG legal and other advice, nor was it made in haste.

In the latter circumstance, my bet is not a single member of the team would risk their entire career to double tap a couple of noname Venezuelan narcos. You suspect differently. Good for you, I guess.
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
147 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:40 pm to
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It is certainly possible, that there are no drugs in this instance, and it is possible they are trafficking cocaine


The likelihood of the targeted boats not having drugs are them are close to zero.

quote:

Should all cocaine dealers in America be put to death?


In the United States, of course not. In international waters they’re fair game. No different than pirates
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31689 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:43 pm to
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And to be brutally candid, neither of us know the actual facts.


We can when they release the rest of the video. It shouldn't be a problem since they so eagerly released the first part of the video.

quote:

But again, the decision for a second hit was not made without JAG legal and other advice, nor was it made in haste.


I don't dispute this. I haven't heard otherwise.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19127 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:43 pm to
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Now, I find that fantastical in the first place, because a boat, you see the first strike, whole thing’s on fire. It breaks in half, it goes down. Is it
so how does Adam Smith come up with the theory that the boat broken half and went down but yet survivors will still clinging to the boat?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31689 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:53 pm to
By watching the video.

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I am reasonably satisfied that the intelligence was correct, and that these 11 had cocaine in that boat, and they were part of a cartel that was trying to transship that cocaine somewhere. Crucially, we don’t know where, by the way. It was going to some transit point. There’s very little evidence that it was ever going to get to the United States. So they hit it the first time, and then, as the video showed, some few minutes after the smoke cleared, you could see that there were two survivors. And that played out for 43 minutes before the second strike. And the two survivors were on top… first of all, the boat was capsized, and it appeared that the boat had broken in, I don’t know, about half, but parts of it had broken off, because they were clinging to the bow. the capsized bow of the boat, which probably wasn’t any bigger than your average kitchen table. Very small piece of the boat that was sticking outside of the water. They took their shirts off at some point, they had no communication devices, and they were standing on top of the boat, when 43 minutes later, the second strike occurs, you know, sinking the rest of the boat and killing them. And the legal justification for that is very, very questionable, and I can walk through that if you.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 7:04 pm
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
6662 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:20 pm to
Personally I am tired of sacrificing our men to be the worlds police
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71545 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:36 pm to
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Ross Ulbricht

Hell, I forgot Donald pardoned that dude. Two life sentences plus like 50 years......yeah.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 9:37 pm
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148203 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:38 pm to
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Nahhh, he's just a cocksucker.
why not both?
Posted by Jimmy Russel
Member since Nov 2021
752 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 12:02 am to
I’d rather give them a fighting chance killing narcos than sacrifice them to fentanyl.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3154 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 5:10 am to
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We get tired of the farmers whining and looking for handouts.
Not as tired as the rest of us get of you teat sucklers whining and looking for handouts. Farmers feed the nation. What you done in your life to improve the country?
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4537 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 7:40 am to
People can complain all they want, and complain they will. Especially those who hate Trump.

I'm certainly no expert on international laws of war, or even our own laws of war.

But I know this... regardless of what the law says, what Trump is doing is either perfectly legal, or... at worst, there's enough ambiguity in the law to allow what he is doing.

I know that because of the Obama drone strikes.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295880 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:18 am to
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Not as tired as the rest of us get of you teat sucklers whining and looking for handouts


Dont need them. Or want them.

I wouldnt want my business that heavily socialized.

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