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re: Trump’s Civil RICO suit dismissed

Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:33 pm to
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when you’re really mad at how corrupt the system is.


I disagree; it doesn’t sound that bothers him much.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:35 pm to
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Thus far, there has been no concrete evidence submitted under the current election laws other than Pennsylvania that merit a hearing.
Concrete evidence of what?

Counties in MI had more votes than voters.

In WI, thousands of illegal votes were cast about which the courts prior to the election said no standing, and after said no remedy.

In GA, Dominion ran the state's entire DVS machine test center, unsupervised. They generated tens of thousands of "test" ballots which were indistinguishable from election day ballots. Those ballots were supposed to have been spoiled and audited. Neither was done.

Etc., etc., etc., etc.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28121 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:37 pm to
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If you think that Trump took Obama's economy then I question whether you can even vote in the United States.


Yeah, that was special.

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While overall employment numbers are comparable, the difference in manufacturing is profound. In the last 26 months of Obama’s presidency, manufacturing employment grew by 96,000 or 0.8%. In Trump’s first 26 months, manufacturers added 479,000 jobs, or 3.9%, 399% more jobs than Obama’s record. Is it any wonder that President Obama derided then-candidate Trump for needing a “magic wand” to deliver on his manufacturing jobs promise? On the other hand, federal, state and local government jobs, many of them creators of job-stifling red tape, grew by 1.8% in Obama’s last 26 months compared to 0.8% under Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/?sh=2780ef7620a6
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47571 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 1:02 pm to
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Dude, I'm a Republican and I voted for Trump both times. But, I'm also an adult. Sometimes you lose, sometimes the other guy gets a cheat and wins. Thus far, there has been no concrete evidence submitted under the current election laws other than Pennsylvania that merit a hearing. Don't like it get your legislators to change it going forward.

I'm done with Trump because he's immature. He whines and he's all about " Look at me, I'm Donald Trump" He files borderline frivolous lawsuits, which started this thread. Lawsuits that make lawyers with even a few years of experience scratch their heads and begin to laugh. This RICO suit was laughable on its face as were the post election motions etc filed by Sydney Powell and Lin Wood that looked like something a first semester law school student at a correspondence law school might have done.

I think the government has been overstepping with him, but he certainly has a habit of inviting it by some of the stupid shite he does. It used to be that Trump could take a beating, but not a punch. Nowadays he can't even do that


You sound like a pussy. And, my post was in reference to the OP, which is in reference to SpyGate, not the 2020 election claims.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 1:10 pm to
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I'm done with Trump because he's immature.


The supposed "grownups" who sip tea with their pinky in the air and adhere to expected decorum while the cameras are on have been fking over the little guy for years and years.

The guys who flash that taxpayer paid for smile and say things "the correct way" while the camera is on have sent thousands to their graves so that they can enrich themselves.

You are a fking MORON who is fine with the world getting screwed over as long as "the process" appears to be clean and civil.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the people who don't make mean Tweets are killing, raping and stealing because sheep like YOU don't want to feel uncomfortable and will gladly enable them.

Congratulations on being the reason the world is in the shitter.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 1:10 pm to
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My taxes did not change one iota under Trump.


You just make VERY little money, then because every single individual income tax bracket was decreased and the standard deduction was increased. That would have an effect on anyone making more than $9,526.

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stop with the " it's all emotion" mantra

All you have complained about is his demeanor. What else is that besides emotions.

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want a President that when he declassified shite, makes sure it is specifically documented that he declassified it.

That would be best practice, but the president has plenary powers and what you want doesn’t change that.

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I teach my kids to learn the rules and if they find loopholes to be careful and think first so as not to get in trouble

Careful how you define loophole. The law is the law.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 1:11 pm to
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If you think that Trump took Obama's economy then I question whether you can even vote in the United States.


Wow. I missed that part of his post. Yikes.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 1:15 pm to
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Dude, I'm a Republican and I voted for Trump both times.
Yeah you're about as Republican as Florida-Georgia Line is authentic country.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37514 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 1:42 pm to
Little revisionist with what caused the recession in 2008 -2010. That recession was brought to us by our friends on Wall Street with fraudulent A rated paper based on spotty at best mortgage loans....but if you want to blame Solyndra, which was boondoggle and by itself corrupt, but you do you.

Wall Street collapsed on W's watch ...September of 08. TARP was W and Paulson's doing. Obama went along for the ride. Wanna learn more about it, I could teach a course on it, if you would like. Solyndra was childsplay compared to what Wall Streeters did. But if you want to blame Solyndra for the recession ..... have at it. By the way you sold your house at short sale because of over building spurred on by low interest rates coupled with an exponential increase in subprime loans which required very little from the borrower....so it was like renting.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 1:59 pm to
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but if you want to blame Solyndra, which was boondoggle and by itself corrupt, but you do you.


You don’t think increased energy costs (an explicitly stated goal of Obama’s administration) helped prolong the 2008 recession?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37514 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:14 pm to
I don't think I've had a quarterly nut of under 9K since 2001.2016 quarterly averaged just under 17K....2018 about the same on the same dollars...if you want to compare 1040's. It's a little less now because I took a haircut for 2020 and 2021 because of Covid and leaving the world of corporate law.

Demeanor counts.If I had a client like Trump... and I've had some real interesting clients, I would usually tell them to limit what they say and how they say it because the way you say things can absolutely land you in hot water with the government irrespective of what you did. The government does not have a sense of humor and if the Feds want you and you piss them off, the have the resources to keep coming at you and outlast you.

The President does have plenary power. Not in dispute. But there are ways of doing things so as to avoid the Feds making your life miserable....see the above paragraph. Trump does not bother with those apparently.

A loophole is just that . A place where the law is silent. You do realize that the 401K started as a loophole in the tax code that an investment guy discovered. Trump could take advantage of loopholes and not have the FBI and others bother him but he does not do it right. Then he asks for a mulligan.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37514 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:15 pm to
No
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:16 pm to
Perfect. You’re completely stupid when it comes to economic analysis. Cleared it up.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97972 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:17 pm to
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KiwiHead


Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138826 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:23 pm to
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Wanna learn more about it, I could teach a course on it, if you would like.
You're right.
Solyndra had nothing to do with causation of the Great Recession. It is among many Obamanomics issues resulting in prolongation though.

Causation was seated firmly in politically motivated mortgage lending policy which was a Clinton initiative. Not Bush. To his credit, W actually pushed for paring the Fannie/Freddie programs back, albeit ineffectively. Barney Frank & Co (the originators of the policy) pitched a hissy fit and squashed any efforts at correction.
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TARP was W and Paulson's doing
And?
What is the beef w/ TARP?
TARP stopped the hemorrhage.

TARP was a loan. It was repaid with interest. Not only did it not cost taxpayers' money, in the longrun it actually made money.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28121 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:31 pm to
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Trump could take advantage of loopholes and not have the FBI and others bother him



What part of “this started before he was ever elected” are you not comprehending? You’re either extremely ignorant about the events of the last 6-7 years or you’re just dumb as a rock.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:49 pm to
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To his credit, W actually pushed for paring the Fannie/Freddie programs back, albeit ineffectively. Barney Frank & Co (the originators of the policy) pitched a hissy fit and squashed any efforts at correction.
Yep I'm done carrying W's water but he tried this at least 13 times. 0bama as a young attorney was partly responsible for keeping banks from redlining, which, for better or for worse, would've helped out a lot of the people it was supposedly oppressing. But 0bama and his cohorts sued and ended it, so 0bama is more to blame for the 2008 Great Recession than W was, even though he wasn't POTUS at the time.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89754 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 3:00 pm to
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Is that better, worse or the same as Aileen Cannon being appointed by the Plaintiff himself?


You tell us?

And is it better or worse the Judge that signed the search warrant is another clintin stooge?

Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37514 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 4:57 pm to
Please, Solyndra was small potatoes. It was a boondoggle for sure, but in the end insignificant.

The subprime crisis had nothing to do with the CRA. All of that crap was Wall Street's doing with no oversight from the federal government. Entities like New Century, TBW, Countryside, First Franklin was all private money and not backed by any....ANY government money. These guys would offer marginal, at best, borrowers with a 580 FICO score 100% financing. None of these entities were banks so any oversight and there was no oversight, was not done by the FTC and certainly not by the SEC. CRA at best would have effected groups like BOA who did not do subprime or local banks who were chartered through the government and as such prone to oversight.

These entities sold their loans to Lehman, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch who the went about creating synthetic vehicles like CDO's which were sold as A paper because people like Moody's were bought off and they were impressed that operators like AIG and other monoline insurers were insuring the crap at low rates.. These guys at Lehman et al created hedge funds with this paper backing them up. Sold them as bonds to pension funds both in the US and overseas....I could get into SIV's but that was another mess created by this.

Clinton had very little to do with this other than Hugh Rodham probably made some bank off this along with Terry McAuliffe. Bush was initially blind to this as was Paulson , because Goldman was making bank off betting against them while also buying them. Snow the TreasSec before Paulson actually sounded the alarm but no one Republican or Democrat listened nor wanted to. Some Democrats were making money off subprime like Maxine Waters whose husband was making a cool million a year by being on the board of one of them. I actually sat in on the hearing that she threw the race card out at Richard Baker and a guy named Falcone who was testifying that this was shite and someone needed to step in. Then Frank chimed in and nothing got done..
That was in late 2005.

Obama was involved only so far as his biggest benefactor was involved Penny Pritzker who had a big interest in Superior out of Chicago....the were strictly sub prime.But she got out right before things were going to shite.

Fannie and Freddie got involved late on the game in securitizing the crap only because they thought they were missing out. The didn't care about CRA or anything other than potential big dollars

The the shite really hit the fan. Those CDOs were losing money because the underlying assets started to become worthless due to people defaulting ( foreclosures),etc.

Obama did nothing to start this, but as Senator he did nothing to stop it. Maxine Waters did not care she was getting hers and that was good enough for her....she basically all but said it.Frank wanted it so that he could ultimately hang it on the Republican's neck

Wall Street thought nothing would hurt them and that everyone was overreacting.

Stop parroting bullshite spewd by Sean Hannity on the crash of 2008. Everybody was in denial right up until the summer then it was too late.

You brought it up. That was my condensed version . In the end Solyndra was throwing a match on a lit inferno.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138826 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 5:39 pm to
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The subprime crisis had nothing to do with the CRA.
Sorry, you are normally at least close to the mark. I'm stunned at that claim. WTF do you think drove the BASIS of the subprime issue?
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Franklin was all private money and not backed by any....ANY government money
#1) considering the nature of credit assumptions in 2006-2008, your presumption is horrible.
#2) Private lenders were basically extorted via the CRA to engage terrible risk borrowers
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These entities sold their loans to Lehman, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch
You're damn right! Pushed to take high risk loans by DC, primary lenders unloaded those POS loans as quickly as they could.
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Clinton had very little to do with this other than ...
Sorry. May have had you confused w/ another poster, frankly. You have no clue WTF you're talking about
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