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re: Trump vs DeSantis Covid response
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:59 pm to David_DJS
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:59 pm to David_DJS
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The disconnect here is your unwilling to hold Trump accountable for his administration’s COVID response.
I think the disconnect is that you believe Covid was fake. That everybody should have been on that page.
That's despite the dead people.
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Being stupid isn’t a defense for a president.
That's the problem. He wasn't being stupid. If there was a chance that the virus was doing what the world reported, he had an obligation to err on the side of preparing the nation. It;'s his job.
The constitution lays out where that ends. It ends where the states begin.
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No. My logic is it’s Trump’s fault for jumping off a bridge because Fauci told him to. It is Trump’s fault for being a dumbass.
Isn’t it interesting that in the end, without realizing it you make my argument for me.
Considering Trump erred on the side of caution and after 2 weeks started talking to states about reopening AGAINST Fauci's recommendation..
No. He made the right argument.
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:11 am to David_DJS
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Isn’t it interesting that in the end, without realizing it you make my argument for me.
I'm not getting that but we will have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:26 am to Jjdoc
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You usual go to when you have no argument.
That not everyone was talked into being overly frightened about COVID like you? I only go to that when you suggest it’s only hindsight from which I (and others) speak.
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And what was that David? Are you saying Covid was not real to you? Not killing people? That it was an attack? That it was.... what David?
It was a nasty AF virus and hell on the very old/frail and already very unwell. But for the rest of us, it was not a “health emergency” and did not warrant the politically driven response it got.
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Did Trump lock down Fl or not? Show me the order David. That's all you have to do. Show me the order.
This is why I think you’re stupid. You post this BS over and over, to the point that I think you actually imagine you’re making a sound argument.
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It was the guidance of the CDC. The CDC and Fauci never wanted states to reopen. Trump went against that and encouraged states to reopen in Early April!
And you’ve been shown how that’s BS but you are so far up Trump’s arse you cannot see or hear anything he hasn’t digested for you.
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You know the answer. You just won't say it.
I do not know the answer. I’m not surprised you don’t understand a reluctance to spout off about shite without knowing about it given you do it all the time.
To explain further - it’s been an interesting experience to see how this board has reacted to the 2022 election in Maricopa County. I live in the Phoenix area, and unlike Florida locking down or not, I know firsthand what the facts are about that election, and it’s been eye opening how gaslighted alot of conservatives i have respect for on this board have been. So, no - I do not know for a fact whether you are right or the Florida guys are right about what happened in FL. .
That said, what difference does it make - I’ve said very clearly, I am 100% behind any legit criticism of RDS for following Trump’s guidance on COVID. So if he shite shut down like you suggest, I’m 100% critical of him for doing that.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:32 am to Jayrod79
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I'm not getting that but we will have to agree to disagree.
In case it helps -
When it concerned Trump directing his administration on COVID, you give him an out - he’s not an expert on infectious diseases, so he’s not accountable for accepting the shitty advice/plans his people ran up the chain of command.
When it was the hypothetical me taking advice to jump off a bridge, I was the one accountable for being dumb enough to take that advice and run with it.
You’re right in the second scenario. You need to apply that principle to the first.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 12:46 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:58 am to David_DJS
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It was a nasty AF virus and hell on the very old/frail and already very unwell. But for the rest of us, it was not a “health emergency” and did not warrant the politically driven response it got.
First of all, nobody knew that in the early stages. Second, it killed 1.1 million USA Citizens.
A quarter million of those were between the ages 30 - 64.
Next, you skipped this:
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Not everyone is as stupid and/or weak as you, jjdoc.
BTW.. Evidently there are... DESANTIS was one of them because he didn;t see it for what you claim. He locked down his state.
So now DeSantis is stupid. Got it.
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This is why I think you’re stupid. You post this BS over and over, to the point that I think you actually imagine you’re making a sound argument.
It is a sound argument. Trump lacked the Authority. You issue is with the constitution. It's why you can not show it and why you skirt it.
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And you’ve been shown how that’s BS but you are so far up Trump’s arse you cannot see or hear anything he hasn’t digested for you.
No, you haven't. Now let's break what you just stated was BS. Here's the comment by me:
- It was the guidance of the CDC. The CDC and Fauci never wanted states to reopen. Now show me David where that is BS. Please show me how that's BS. You see, I showed you the exact headlines.
- Trump went against that and encouraged states to reopen in Early April! Again. If that is BS. Simply show it. Prove it.
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To explain further - it’s been an interesting experience to see how this board has reacted to the 2022 election in Maricopa County. I live in the Phoenix area, and unlike Florida locking down or not, I know firsthand what the facts are about that election, and it’s been eye opening how gaslighted alot of conservatives i have respect for on this board have been. So, no - I do not know for a fact whether you are right or the Florida guys are right about what happened in FL. .
Maracopia Co has nothing to do with this. The Election of 2020 has nothing to do with this.
This is classic Yuri Bezmenov. "You can show them photos and they will not believe it"
These are the executive orders on the FL Gov website
Do I need to point it out for you. Copy paste?
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That said, what difference does it make
Where have I heard that before????
He also stopped mortgages from being collected etc. Rent... etc.
But you remember your words. You are smarter than DeSantis and DeSantis was stupid!
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:13 am to Jjdoc
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First of all, nobody knew that in the early stages. Second, it killed 1.1 million USA Citizens. A quarter million of those were between the ages 30 - 64. Next, you skipped this:
Like I’ve said - you are a Covidian. You believe the bullshite. That’s why you don’t hold Trunp accountable, and I would assume the same for Fauci and the rest of the team.
You believe the CDC.
You are a Covidian.
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It is a sound argument. Trump lacked the Authority. You issue is with the constitution. It's why you can not show it and why you skirt it.
It’s a retarded argument because I have never suggested Trump locked Florida (or any state) down.
You are a clown.
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Maracopia Co has nothing to do with this. The Election of 2020 has nothing to do with this.
Did I say Maricopa County is involved in Florida shutting down or not, or did I use my observations of the MC election fallout to help illustrate why I do not believe everything someone can provide a link for.
Did you really need that explained, jjdoc? Well, yeah, I suppose you did. After all, you are a Covidian.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:16 am to Jack Daniel
Trump 2024 
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:26 am to David_DJS
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Like I’ve said - you are a Covidian.
Along with DeSantis and all those gov that shut down. Lol!
Shall we keep going?
Lmao!!
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:52 am to Jack Daniel
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This is coming from a huge Trump supporter. I’m just comparing actions
I'm with you on this - Trump left the medical advice up to the CDC et al. and I don't think he ever endorsed the shut-down dictates. I don't know whether he could have banned them either.
Only the governors seemed to have that power - and those who did it were sticking their necks our early in the process, because it was not at all evident that this was NOT a civilization-killer pandemic.
However, it soon became evident to me that COVID was primarily effecting the old and otherwise sickly people. Young healthy people were seemingly no more effected than with the flu.
I think Trump was right to "warp speed" the vaccine development. Certainly everything that Biden bases his 'successes' on was the direct beneficiary of that effort - an effort that the DEMs all maligned as it was being implemented.
The entire bureaucracy was fatally infected with political cultists for anything beneficial to come from the executive branch - and the 2018 mid-term gave those same cultists effective control of both sides of congress.
Thank God for the Governors who stood up to the madness.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 4:00 am to Jack Daniel
I’m a big Trump supporter but he did botch covid when he finally gave in to the press hounds and let Pence have a roll.
Trump also begged big Dick Ron and Kemp to not open up Florida and Georgia so soon.
Ron and Kemp handled covid better. They also aren’t responsible for the clot shot. Trump still backing the clot shot after what dems did with it is a mistake.
Trump also begged big Dick Ron and Kemp to not open up Florida and Georgia so soon.
Ron and Kemp handled covid better. They also aren’t responsible for the clot shot. Trump still backing the clot shot after what dems did with it is a mistake.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 4:47 am to Big4SALTbro
This is an apples to oranges comparison. A president is bound by "experts" via the Stafford Act. A gov is not. A president not following expert advice, no matter how bad that advice is, could lead to grounds for removal from office. This is why the admin brought in Dr. Scott Atlas. He was shocked at the level of stupidity going on with Birx and Fauci.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 5:59 am to RobbBobb
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8 states did not issue stay at home orders in March '20 Desantis did. No wiggle room for him there
I don’t get the either or mentality of posters like you. Florida, with a much larger tourism base than any of those states, came through remarkably well. I never missed a day in the office. The “Essential Workers” exclusion just required a letter from your employer. All the dullards out here banging on DeSantis about the response to COVID should pick a different strategy. Florida was a master class on how to walk that tightrope between freedom and responsibility.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:03 am to Jack Daniel
Trump was justified in his response. He also called for lockdowns to end much sooner than most. This was an unprecedented situation and the worst decision would have been to do nothing
RINO Ron on the other hand probably would have done nothing. He also would have let China flood the country with people leaving their country and spread the infection much more rapidly
RINO Ron on the other hand probably would have done nothing. He also would have let China flood the country with people leaving their country and spread the infection much more rapidly
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:11 am to Upperdecker
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RINO Ron on the other hand probably would have done nothing. He also would have let China flood the country with people leaving their country and spread the infection much more rapidly
There are literally people in this thread talking about FL turning people away at the border while not restricting movement within the state.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:33 am to Jack Daniel
Trump suspended our civil liberties and paved the way for the vaccine. These are FACTS yet there are those on this board that deny them to this day.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:42 am to Jack Daniel
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Trump vs DeSantis Covid response
Both were fine. Both did what was needed based on lay-of-the-land as they saw it.
Now do the Dems.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:00 am to Jjdoc
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Shall we keep going?
I would hope you'd stop being a Covidian, jjdoc. You understand you were wrong, don't you?
As for your arguments supporting Trump's CDC/task force actions, there are reasons there's a rush to jump off the bandwagon you evidently captain. Covid response was a f'n disaster for this country, and the evidence of that is all around you - inflation and the dementia-riddled pedo in the oval office top the list.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:05 am to Aubie Spr96
Trump announced 15 days to slow the spread. It came from his lips.
As a FL resident that travels all over I can tell you we were free as hell compared to the rest of the country.
As a FL resident that travels all over I can tell you we were free as hell compared to the rest of the country.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:08 am to Jack Daniel
I will give any Governor somewhat of a pass for what they did for the first 3-6 weeks of the pandemic.
They were relying entirely on what Fauci/Brix/Trump were telling them, and it was extremely difficult to know what was reality. Also intense public and media pressure to be cautious.
After those first few weeks is when they should be judged.
They were relying entirely on what Fauci/Brix/Trump were telling them, and it was extremely difficult to know what was reality. Also intense public and media pressure to be cautious.
After those first few weeks is when they should be judged.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:25 am to Jjdoc
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As a FL resident that travels all over I can tell you we were free as hell compared to the rest of the country.
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As a Florida resident I have to say he flipped a ton of Dems in my neighborhood because he kept everything open and people didnt suffer since they were able to continue making a living.
More firsthand accounts from Florida residents who say Jjobama and Robb are full of shite.
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