re: Trump VETOS, US AG Barr authorizes Emergency Declaration on the Southern Border

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Wrong.
4 billion is already appropriated

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Well that doesn’t negate that the constitution clearly gives the power to Congress. That isn’t debatable.

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Thats a good start while the weak people whine and cry to selective courts to stop any more from being spent.

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Well it will likely end up at the SCOTUS, but nobody will be arguing who gives Congress that power. They will be probably be arguing over whether:

1.Congress can even cede the authority for emergencies.

2. If so, whether the new authority can be used for things beyond the intent of the law (emergencies requiring immediate response).

3. And finally, whether the constitutionally mandated authority, which was ceded for specific, temporary emergency situations, can only regained by a veto proof legislation, which essentially give the executive more power over the authority than congress usually has.

The 3rd part seems to most problematic, especially since this would essentially allow for one particular congress to cede authority and make it nearly impossible for any other congress to regain it. That would be worse than anything else.

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p.s. Obama did a crap ton of wild stupid dem policies with E.O.'s and nat emergencies; he just didn't announce it and the R's would never do anything, anyway.

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Well I was well aware of it since he was rightly criticized, and he was rightly criticized on here.

But now many of the same people who weren’t just critical, they were outraged, are supporting the same thing, and worse, straight advocates that he did it. And then they criticize any republican who voted against it, which is what they would have wanted them to do just a few years earlier.

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bamarep

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Stop appropriating our culture.

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Constitution

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By exercising authority under a previous NED from Obama pursuant to a statute passed by a Congress in the 1970s?

Curious.

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by FredBear
BOOM!

frick you liberals, every last one of you

MAGA

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Amen my brother

Damn well said!

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I believe it sets a terrible precedent that will come back and bite Republicans in the arse. We have seen it before. Democrats thought there were making the right move when they used the nuclear option to reduce the number of votes needed. That decision has haunted them throughout this Presidency because Republicans have capitalize on it. The next Democrat in power will do the same with this.

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The democrats do not need a precedent. Besides the republican states would sue a democratic president just like democratic states are suing Trump. This will be decided in the courts. You sir are just a cuck and have no testicles.

let’s see what and how it gets to SCOTUS and I’m open to a good natured bet with you, Tony

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Now obviously it has been used for purposes that didn’t meat that standard before but Congress didn’t object. They probably should have, but those aren’t justification of its validity.

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Actually, they are. They have established PRECEDENT. This will hold up.

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Actually, they are. They have established PRECEDENT. This will hold up.

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Well if the law itselfor the mechanisms of it, then unconstitutional precedents so not make it somehow Constitutional.

And since this emergency declaration is specifically related appropriations, whose Constitutional authority is granted solely to Congress, then it's possible that this may exceed the limits of other emergencies.

Frankly I'm not even sure SCOTUS wouldn't decide that a branch cannot relinquish it's authority whatsoever. The Constitution doesn't say these "are your powers but you're free to give them away."

But even if they can temporarily or conditionally relinquish it, I just don't see how they would find that it's Constitutional to require a veto-proof majority to regain that authority. Not only would it be much easier to relinquish it (simple majority to pass laws, although 60% for senate to invoke cloture) than regain it (2/3s of both houses), it only took one congress to relinquish the authority for every subsequent congress.

I just don't see how that would be Constitutional.