re: Trump tariffs have CREATED over 11,000 jobs....sorry IB

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TX Tiger

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And knowing this board is desperate to knight for their God Emperor, we really shouldn't expect it to make posts that are objective either then?

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Lifelong Independent/Current No-Party voter here. I’m not here to validate this board’s activities. I’m here to discredit IB Freeman’s posting style. He incessantly ignores factual evidence while accusing you of ignoring his. He moves goalposts consistently. He resorts to ad hominem attacks, and refuses to ever concede a single point no matter who makes it to him or how well it’s cited and sourced.

So please kindly avoid the conflation of my purpose in this thread versus your thoughts on others’ collective purpose here or on this board as a whole.

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i have no doubt that protected groups benefit from protectionism. and them shilling for it via advocacy groups is of course to be expected.

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There is NO doubt that protected groups benefit from protectionism. We have proven this for 75 years by taking money from US Firms and US Workers and using it to protect foreign markets, firms and workers.....and there isn’t any doubt that those protected benefitted immensely....Europe alone had been DESTROYED... 2 times in less than 2 generations....before US Taxpayers took Europe under our protection. Look at where Europe is TODAY compared to 1945. US tax payers did that.

Take a look at the protection that has been afforded the investor class since 1980. We protected them in the US by greatly reducing their taxes.....but even more so by protecting their interests abroad. The investor class has been shilling for more protection since 1980 because it stablelized the globe allowing them to invest in nations with less regulation and workers who will work for far less.

The one group that the right never gave a tinkers damn about protecting was US workers. US workers have been fully expected to compete in a “free” market that was only free for the competition....we pay the fricking bill....and stagnant wages and lost jobs is the only possible result.

What is truly refreshing is seeing so many GOP supporters now willing to admit their is strength in numbers. No more of this BS about an individual being able to negotiate their own deal without the support of numbers behind them. Tarriffs are exactly what a labor union is......a GROUP of people...the United States in the case of Tarriffs...standing together against the competition. It works. We’ve seen what happens when we are left alone to get the best deal we can...stagnant wages and lost jobs. It is very gratifying to see the base of the GOP fully behind protecting US workers instead of foreign workers. It’s about time self interest became an issue!

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He incessantly ignores factual evidence while accusing you of ignoring his. He moves goalposts consistently. He resorts to ad hominem attacks, and refuses to ever concede a single point no matter who makes it to him or how well it’s cited and sourced.

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How is this different than any other thread ever posted here?

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I’m here to discredit IB Freeman’s posting style.

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No, you're here to do exactly what you criticize him for doing.

nm meant to edit into what you see 3 posts down

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Proof, ya need to throw away that bar napkin you got that graph from......

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you mean straight from bls interactive employment series?

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Just proves the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost didn't happen

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i don't believe that's how or when the damage shows up. i mean, i just said ITT it shouldn't be any surprise if an industry benefits from being protected. but even the benefits you've touted here look to be speculative, to put it charitably.

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Did I mention capital expenditures are up 39% the first quarter

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capital expenditures where? link?

but let me know when it reverses this trend and we are great again. or, let me know what fraction of the way back we can call victory at:

Thanks Germandawg!

Ya know I love ya proof, just doggin ya a little.

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Every politician running for office on both sides are going to sound more like 1970s democrats than 1980 Reagan conservatives for at least a generation.

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Not sure I agree with most of your post, but the above is 100% true. I watched a Progressive Dems conference on CSPAN a month or two ago, and but for 3 or 4 words, they were repeating every issue that Trump has hammered on, only without any solutions.

"Middle America/Rust Belt is being eaten alive by China. Factory workers and tradesman haven't been able to transition to the 'service economy' and, frankly, they don't want to. How can we help them?"

Then pan across 30 blank faces.

11,000 is an embarrassingly low number. We’d better hope that this number grows significantly.

Let’s assume (very charitably) that the cost of the tariffs to the economy is $0. That we lose nothing by instituting the tariffs.

Let us note that we have a $12B bailout proposed for farmers.

$12B bailout/11,000 jobs = $1,090,909/job created.

If anyone thinks that’s a bargain, I have some property I’m interested in showing you. It may be a bridge.

I love how you “oh both sides are the same” assholes always out yourself as leftists too gutless to call yourselves that