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re: Trump says he’s canceling windmills and solar fields

Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:27 pm to
Posted by sledgehammer
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:27 pm to
He must’ve watched Landman
Posted by tgdawg68
Georgia
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:29 pm to
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I don't think thats what's happening here unless there's an EO i missed.


OK, I used incorrect wording (tax cuts). What I meant was incentives in the form of grants/loans from Biden's IRA and IIJA. And trump has indicated re-directing funds (some of which are for utility scale solar projects). And this can be done even the funds have been obligated.
But that probably doesnt pertain to this EO. Bad post on my part.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:31 pm to
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don't think he can override tax law passed by congress via EO.


And maybe (if that is the case of targeting tax credit) that is why I have only seen EO directed at wind farms. Might see bills to address this issue in the future.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:37 pm to
remember when the 'totally nobody could have foreseen this' hail storm hit a solar farm in TX last year and decimated it?
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:41 pm to
Not sure how this will work.. I believe 99 percent of existing and planned windfarms are on private land.. I have not seen any solar farms on federal land either..oil industry is pretty good about getting things subsidized and our production has tax “breaks” associated with it also ..it is/was an important resource required for industrialization and defense ( war).

So the president can restrict commercial activity on private land?
Fwiw feds can not restrict drilling or fracking for oil on private or state land

Also is not most of the coastline out to a certain water depth state leases ..

I know those windmills pay the landowner some pretty darn good mailbox money ..

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:46 pm to
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Trump says he’s canceling windmills and solar fields



Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102635 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:48 pm to
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All that for 2%. Makes you wonder. 35,000 acres is equal to 55 sq miles.


Nuclear or Natural gas plants can provide 100% on about 200 acres
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:52 pm to
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What I meant was incentives in the form of grants/loans from Biden's IRA and IIJA.

That he can do by telling DOE to pause disbursement of fund.
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And trump has indicated re-directing funds (some of which are for utility scale solar projects)

Are they getting used to fund utility projects? It's typically very rare to have DOE fund legacy PV tech projects. They tend to focus more of their efforts on R&D for new tech.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18016 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:54 pm to
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And maybe (if that is the case of targeting tax credit) that is why I have only seen EO directed at wind farms.

Correct. The EO is focused on wind on federal land and pausing leases.
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Might see bills to address this issue in the future.

Maybe, but i doubt we see the ITC, PTC or AMC go away.
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
311 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:58 pm to
How do we feel about data centers?

Zuck is touting his new one in North Louisiana to be roughly the size of Manhattan… this was all farmland if I remember correctly.
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
11033 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 2:17 pm to
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I didn’t realize we had this many Sierra Club members worried about the birds

You don’t have to be a member of the sierra club to be a conservationist you dumbass
Posted by FizzyPop
350 posts
Member since Jun 2024
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:06 pm to
Will this make existing solar farms already in operation more valuable or worthless?

Eta: I'm wondering if existing solar farms can at least supplement the grid and still provide some use as a grandfathered in operation, or does this EO attempt to axe existing ones too. Just curious.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 3:11 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18016 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:08 pm to
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Will this make existing solar farms already in operation more valuable or worthless?

it will have zero impact.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17946 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:09 pm to
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he should just kill all Gov subsidies they would all go away naturally


^This
Posted by FizzyPop
350 posts
Member since Jun 2024
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:12 pm to
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it will have zero impact.


That's kind of what I was thinking but didn't know just how far this order digs into the BP Lightsource ops like you see around New Roads/Ventress etc.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18016 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:17 pm to
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That's kind of what I was thinking but didn't know just how far this order digs into the BP Lightsource ops like you see around New Roads/Ventress etc.

I haven't seen an EO that talks about solar yet. The one issued targeted federal wind leases, which are almost exclusively offshore.

So, solar hasn't been targeted yet. But even if it does, they would have a hard time spinning that to impact development on private land. The one thing the could do is revoke the tax credits, but that will take congressional action and seems unlikely. But even still that would only impact pre-interconnection projects. There is an edge case for a select few utility projects that are using the PTC vs the ITC and revocation of the IRA may hit a few of those, but from what i know about the financial modeling, the only places that are using the PTC are in high irradiance areas like arizona.

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I'm wondering if existing solar farms can at least supplement the grid and still provide some use as a grandfathered in operation, or does this EO attempt to axe existing ones too.

Existing interconnected solar farms will continue to operate as normal unless something absolutely insane happened. They have long term PPAs in place and I'm not sure anyone in congress has the appetite to piss off wall street like that because they would collectively melt if all their solar paper got vaporized.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
5597 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:20 pm to
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The one thing the could do is revoke the tax credits, but that will take congressional action and seems unlikely.


Never thought of it like this, great point! I appreciate your insight
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
33593 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:20 pm to
Trump needs to push nuclear power.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18016 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:23 pm to
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Trump needs to push nuclear power.

Agreed.
Steps to doing that-
1 leave the nuclear PTC in the IRA alone
2 streamline permitting and federal regulation
3 protect developers from NIMBY litigation
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
5597 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:34 pm to
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They have long term PPAs in place and I'm not sure anyone in congress has the appetite to piss off wall street like that because they would collectively melt if all their solar paper got vaporized.


I completely forgot about this because aren't these like 30 to 40 year contracts.
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