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re: Trump Says He Never Promised No New Wars, and Defends Compensation Fund
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:22 pm to DeBoar
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:22 pm to DeBoar
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He never once said he wouldn’t use the military. He actually boats about how he’s rebuilt the military to use it.
Correct.
It's not unreasonable to have a full, nuanced position which in conversation gets boiled down to an oversimplistic slogan-- "No New Wars" being the simple slogan that represents Trump's desire for a strong military and a willingness to use it to win, but without getting caught up in long lasting conflicts that achieve nothing over time.
I think the following quote attributed to Trump (pulled out of a convo I had with Grok about No New Wars a few months ago) is a more accurate summary of his position:
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"I will not hesitate to deploy military force when there is no alternative. But if America fights, it must fight to win. I will never send our finest into battle unless necessary—and will only do so if we have a plan for victory. Our goal is peace and prosperity, not war and destruction."
The "No New Wars" claim by Trump during the 2024 election was a bit more of a retrospective claim about how he succeeded in his first term and was proud about it. While it was also a pledge of continuity of his philosophy from his first term, it was never an explicit statement that he would NOT use the military in his second term... anyone claiming this is being intentionally irrational and looking for an excuse to attack the man.
It is, of course, fair to question how well Trump is succeeding. I would call Venezuela and the previous strikes on Iranian nuke facilities as Trump's actions being consistent with his words. There is some risk that the current Iranian operation gets away from him.
If one is being truly fair, though-- people like the OP, Bunk, & many of the libs on here are not fair minded-- then it is important to realize Trump is fighting more than Iran. The media at home, every Democrat leader and some Republicans in Congress would rather see the US fail than win against Iran-- solely for the purpose of denying Trump a win... to hurt Trump and protect their own fiefdoms lobbyists help them build. They hamstring him at every turn and work to undermine him instead of supporting him... and America. If he only had a little more support from his own party, I think he might've advanced his agenda a lot more than he has already, and the bitchier sorts who like to harp on this topic might be less eager to carp as they do. Oh, well...
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Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:22 pm to Eurocat
Tigerdroppings should have an option to block users.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:23 pm to lake chuck fan
It would be nice.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:24 pm to Flats
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There is no "goal", people are discussing politics and political figures on a forum dedicated to discussing politics and political figures. That obviously bothers some of you.
Frowned upon in Binary Land
Must only fluff Trump. You know this.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:25 pm to Eurocat
You worry about the dumbest crap while completely ignoring the actual problems facing our nation you know like 30 million illegal immigrants and welfare bleeding us dry. Nah, you keep worrying about stupid crap like a 1 billion dollar fund and temporarily high gas prices because in your childlike mind it justifies your vote for Democrats.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:25 pm to lake chuck fan
Would be great for the mental health of several with low emotional intelligence.
Support.
Support.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:26 pm to lake chuck fan
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Tigerdroppings should have an option to block users.
Jesus get some thicker skin. If an opinion you disagree with hurts you that much you're the problem.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:27 pm to j1897
You are welcome to join your people in the Democrat party, quite frankly all of the constant complainers should. Trump was right about you people all along, utterly useless
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:28 pm to roadGator
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Would be great for the mental health of several with low emotional intelligence. Support.
Counterpoint: He won't burn as many calories smashing that downvote button.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:30 pm to Jorts R Us
True but I’m seeking mental stability for the most triggered folks that can’t handle anything but the approved positions.
It reminds me of something but I just can’t find the word at the moment.
It reminds me of something but I just can’t find the word at the moment.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:33 pm to Eurocat
You spew a bunch of BS and then head for the hills...........typical Dem.
Guess what Lerch??????????...........if you don't like it here, leave.
Guess what Lerch??????????...........if you don't like it here, leave.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:34 pm to Jorts R Us
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Probably to rile you and others like you up.
Fish in a barrel. Even OP can do it and he’s just a hit and run troll.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:34 pm to Rip Torner
I like how you ignore a fact to try and insult someone, but you failed at that. Freaking boomers man, ya'll suck at the internet.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:36 pm to lake chuck fan
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Tigerdroppings should have an option to block users.
Don't want anyone getting into your circle?
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:36 pm to AlterEd
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isn't, ya frickin moron. As a matter of fact, it is not.
We had no ships, troops, or any presence in or around Iran.
We do now. Like it or not, that's on trump and thats exactly what he spoke about when campaigning. You know that as much as me.
He is great in many areas. Hes an absolute failure on Iran. We will go back to normal, with nothing gained.....zero
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:38 pm to Eurocat
What war? I think I did that right.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:40 pm to Eurocat
Media twisting his words again.
What people forget, and the media conveniently omits, is Trump campaigned on the promise that “Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.” And that's what he's been doing.
He believes in strength and is leading by example. Not weak and ineffective like Obama and Biden who couldn't negotiate with Iran. There are very good negotiations going on. As a result, Israel and Iran now appear to be stepping back from the brink.
What people forget, and the media conveniently omits, is Trump campaigned on the promise that “Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.” And that's what he's been doing.
He believes in strength and is leading by example. Not weak and ineffective like Obama and Biden who couldn't negotiate with Iran. There are very good negotiations going on. As a result, Israel and Iran now appear to be stepping back from the brink.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:40 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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Hes an absolute failure on Iran. We will go back to normal, with nothing gained.....zero
And it might take a while to get back to normal
And it has certainly come with a hefty price tag
Posted on 6/8/26 at 1:03 pm to Flats
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The "ride or die" crowd doesn't have a choice. They can't admit he was FOS so the only 2 options are:
1. It's not a war
2. It's a war but not a new one
The administration has used "war" a little too often for #1 so #2 is all they have left no matter how absurd it is. It's like watching a giant psychology experiment.
I came to this thread knowing exactly what to expect, yet even I am surprised at the creativity of some of the denials.
And look, I'm in favor of getting tough with Iran. I think it's long overdue. I don't begrudge what Trump's doing and I'm like the poster upthread who opined that as long as we set their nuclear program back several years and are out in under a year, I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt that it was the right thing to do. Even if we have to go back in 6 or 8 years and do it again, ad infinitum. As a fundamentalist theocracy who has openly sworn to wipe their neighbor off the face of the planet, they can't get nuclear weapons, and self-reporting enough nuclear material to make 11 bombs is a justified reason to kick the door in IMO.
I'll be so glad when Trump is gone I might not know what to do. He's the most exhausting POTUS in history because no one is allowed to have an honest, objectve opinion of what he's done or said.
You are required to either enthusiastically agree with lies for him or against him (that montage that someone put together upthread is composed of about 90% of statements that in no way = 'I will not start any new wars') like nobody else I have ever seen.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 1:07 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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nothing gained.....zero
Obviously not true.
You're a Huckster parrot, yeah?
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