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re: Trump: ‘Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead.’

Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:41 pm to
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I’ll never understand the need to take a victory lap on the news of someone’s death no matter who they are or were. It’s disgusting.

Literally Hitler?
Posted by FrontlineTiger
Member since Aug 2024
921 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:42 pm to
"i don't cheer when anyone dies nor hate anyone
but that's me"

I don't either and wasn't talking about us. Talking about the parties in general.

Don't be a dikkhead
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:44 pm to
Trump knows there's gonna be no love lost when he croaks, so, he dabs on people where he can.
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
4441 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:44 pm to
Don’t forget, this gang tried to kill him, twice.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96938 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:46 pm to
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This is why he can't maintain national support and get more things done. This is a highly inappropriate tweet. Dumb.


Shut up You’re acting as thin skinned as the dead POS who was busy lying about Trump and destroying evidence.

Seriously, GFY
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:49 pm to
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They cheer when one of ours dies, we cheer when one of them die. It's pure hatred on both sides.


Not sure I'd cheer for anyone dying, but I can understand Trump's hatred for the clown.

Btw, the entire left cheered when Charlie was assassinated and they were also upset about the Trump assassins "missing".
Posted by AlterEd
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Member since Dec 2024
11832 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:54 pm to
Don't forget that the other side riots when one of their own dies, even if that happens while that person is trying to run over federal agents with her car. It's not the same.

Also, I don't think it's necessarily the right "cheering" for this shite either. What we are saying is that the motherfricker was breaking the law bigly (a common theme from the left) and that he was a corrupt, PoS cop. And this is established firmly from even before the bullshite they tried to pull on Trump and enact a coup against our Republic. It isn't "cheering" to say that it's a good thing that the SoB can't try to ruin anymore innocent people's lives. We just want people to not flagrantly break the law and violate the rights of innocent people or try to overthrow our government. It isn't a big ask.
This post was edited on 3/21/26 at 2:55 pm
Posted by beaux duke
Member since Oct 2023
4911 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:55 pm to
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Are you saying he shouldn't have been able to exercise his 1st amendment rights?

no. you said that
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11832 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:56 pm to
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no. you said that


Quit being retarded.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19851 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:57 pm to
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Also, I don't think it's necessarily the right "cheering" for this shite either. What we are saying is that the motherfricker was breaking the law bigly (a common theme from the left) and that he was a corrupt, PoS cop. And this is established firmly from even before the bullshite they tried to pull on Trump and enact a coup against our Republic. It isn't "cheering" to say that it's a good thing that the SoB can't try to ruin anymore innocent people's lives. We just want people to not flagrantly break the law and violate the rights of innocent people or try to overthrow our government. It isn't a big ask


Agree

...with everything you stated.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65360 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 2:58 pm to
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Then I remembered ruby ridge

That was Bill Barr.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
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Member since Sep 2019
8244 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:00 pm to
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How about you act like you live in the year 2026 and learn AI on your own?

Typing a prompt is not a skill that needs to be learned. I don’t really like to rely on AI for debates / discourse.

You posted GROK response to a prompt & I just suggested a follow up prompt, but sure if you insist.

Why is Trump upset with Mueller?
Donald Trump’s frustration with Robert Mueller comes down to a mix of legal exposure, political threat, and public narrative.

1. The investigation directly targeted him

Mueller was appointed as Special Counsel in 2017 to investigate:
• Russian interference in the 2016 election
• Possible coordination between Trump’s campaign and Russia
• Potential obstruction of justice

That meant Trump himself—not just his campaign—was under scrutiny, including his actions as president.

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2. Obstruction of justice concerns

While Mueller did not charge Trump with conspiracy, his report did not clear Trump on obstruction.

Mueller explicitly wrote that:

If they had confidence Trump did not commit obstruction, they would have said so.

This left a cloud of legal ambiguity that Trump strongly rejected.

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3. Associates were charged or convicted

Several people close to Trump were indicted or convicted during the investigation, including:
• Paul Manafort
• Michael Flynn
• Roger Stone

Even though these charges weren’t all directly about conspiracy with Russia, they reinforced the seriousness of the probe.

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4. Trump viewed it as politically motivated

Trump repeatedly called the investigation:
• A “witch hunt”
• A “hoax”
• An attempt to undermine his presidency

He believed (and argued publicly) that:
• The probe was driven by political opponents
• It distracted from his administration’s work
• It damaged his legitimacy

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5. It dominated his presidency

For nearly two years, the investigation:
• Led news coverage
• Triggered congressional hearings
• Fueled impeachment-related discussions later on

That constant pressure amplified his hostility toward Mueller.

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Bottom line

Trump wasn’t just “annoyed”—the Mueller investigation:
• Put him personally under legal and political risk
• Resulted in criminal cases against his inner circle
• Left unresolved conclusions about obstruction

So his anger was a combination of self-preservation, political defense, and narrative control.

What’s the other side of the story?
1. Why the investigation was started

From this perspective, the probe was not optional—it was required.
• U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election
• This included hacking, leaking emails, and a large-scale social media influence campaign
• There were documented contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian-linked individuals

So the core argument is:

When a foreign adversary interferes and there are campaign contacts, investigating is a national security obligation.

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2. What Mueller actually found on Russia

Mueller’s team concluded definitively:
• Russia conducted a systematic effort to influence the election
• This included:
• The Internet Research Agency (troll farms)
• Hacking and releasing Democratic emails via intermediaries like WikiLeaks

This part is not disputed in the report.

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3. On “collusion” vs. conspiracy

A key distinction often emphasized:
• “Collusion” is not a legal term
• Mueller evaluated criminal conspiracy

Conclusion:
• They did not establish a criminal conspiracy
• But they documented numerous contacts between the campaign and Russian actors

The interpretation from this side:

Lack of proof beyond a reasonable doubt ? nothing happened

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4. Obstruction of justice was serious

This is where Mueller’s side sees a major issue.

The report outlines multiple instances of potential obstruction, including:
• Attempts to fire Mueller
• Efforts to limit or influence the investigation
• Witness influence concerns

Mueller explicitly said:
• They could not charge a sitting president due to DOJ policy
• They also could not exonerate him

From this perspective:

The report lays out evidence that could support obstruction—Congress was expected to act on it.

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5. Indictments and convictions matter

Mueller’s investigation resulted in:
• Charges against 34 individuals and entities
• Convictions or guilty pleas from several Trump associates

Examples:
• Paul Manafort – financial crimes
• Michael Flynn – lying to the FBI
• Roger Stone – obstruction, witness tampering

Interpretation:

The investigation uncovered real criminal conduct, even if not conspiracy.

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6. The investigation followed legal norms

Supporters of Mueller argue:
• The probe was approved through proper DOJ channels
• A Special Counsel (Robert Mueller) was appointed to ensure independence
• Courts upheld warrants, indictments, and prosecutions

Additionally:
• A DOJ Inspector General review found the investigation was properly predicated, even if some processes (like FISA applications) had flaws

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7. Why the report seems “incomplete”

Mueller’s team deliberately avoided making a final judgment on obstruction.

Their reasoning:
• Charging a president wasn’t allowed
• Publicly accusing without a trial would be unfair

So instead, they:
• Documented evidence
• Left accountability to Congress (which later led to impeachment proceedings, though on Ukraine—not Mueller)

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Bottom line (Mueller-side view)

From this perspective:
• Russia did interfere in a major way
• The Trump campaign had numerous contacts with Russian-linked actors
• The president may have attempted to obstruct the investigation
• The lack of a conspiracy charge does not equal full exoneration

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The real crux of disagreement

The divide comes down to this:
• One interpretation:
“They couldn’t prove the central crime—end of story.”
• The other interpretation (this side):
“They found significant wrongdoing and troubling behavior, but legal and constitutional limits prevented a full resolution.”
Posted by Tigergreg
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:02 pm to
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76458 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:03 pm to
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So his anger was a combination of self-preservation, political defense, and narrative control.


You mention nothing about reaction to being persecuted over nothing
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76458 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:04 pm to
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The Trump campaign had numerous contacts with Russian-linked actors


Guilt by association. Classic dick move.
This post was edited on 3/21/26 at 3:05 pm
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
49901 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:06 pm to
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Trump: ‘Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead.’


If somebody had witch-hunt me and lied about me, I wouldn't exactly mourn the skunk's passing, either. Trump/Russia collusion was a COMPLETE LIE made up by the evil Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff, which also involved the twin snakes Obama and Comey among others. Mueller & Weissmann both knew it was a charade.

PS - Mueller and Weissmann were just the first of many who tried and failed to lay a glove on President Trump.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28131 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:08 pm to
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does not worry whether you appreciate it or not.



Yeah, and then he's mystified that he can't get others to cooperate with him.
Posted by dblwall
Member since Jul 2017
1639 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:13 pm to
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Trump knows there's gonna be no love lost when he croaks, so, he dabs on people where he can.


The bad part of this is the remaining family members are going catch the brunt of all this sh!t.
Posted by Bronco11
Member since Jul 2022
983 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:14 pm to
The guy in the post below was innocent from day 1. They went after him relentlessly from the start and ruined him financially and his daughters were harassed by his neighbor every week saying their father was going to prison.

I'm not going to celebrate the death of a guy, but there are a lot of people that feel a little sense of relief and reflection on the amount of damage Mueller did.

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Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11832 posts
Posted on 3/21/26 at 3:15 pm to
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Yeah, and then he's mystified that he can't get others to cooperate with him.


When Thomas Jefferson found out about the death of Benedict Arnold, what do you think he said?
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