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re: Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden’s Son

Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to
Posted by Jumbo_Gumbo
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2015
5968 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to
So, he wants justice for criminals. What’s the issue with that?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to
Good job Trump. We must investigate corruption,
Posted by Bunyan
He/Him
Member since Oct 2016
20931 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

Mr. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.

Oh...
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63069 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to
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So is this fake news or doesn't matter that he did it?



If Biden's son is guilty, it's appropriate for sure.

If he's not, and Trump is guilty of trying to manufacture a crime against a political opponent, it's not appropriate.

Similarly, if Biden tried to manipulate the Ukranians to not investigate his son when, in fact, his son was guilty, that's a major problem.

If Biden tried to halt an unfair, untrue investigation into his son, that's appropriate.

It also matters whether or not either is using the power/money of the government to get what they want. Trump simply trying to convince the Ukranian govt to investigate is certainly much less of an issue as compared to threatening to withold aide for example. That logic would also be applied to Biden.

I think we all know what the truth is.

This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 2:52 pm
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

So is this fake news or doesn't matter that he did it?


So, did he withhold their financial aid or give it to them in exchange?
Posted by NewGrad1212
Russia
Member since May 2012
433 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:48 pm to
My question is how did this info get released? Did it really happen and if so is there a recording?

Or is this a plant to bring up Biden's work in Ukraine?

Either way we need to know the truth.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138925 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:50 pm to
So?

Is this illegal?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5965 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

So is this fake news or doesn't matter that he did it?


Trump is there to drain the swamp. He is going after corruption. Doesn't matter.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:52 pm to
Calls police.


Hey, that's conduct unbecoming.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63069 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

My question is how did this info get released? Did it really happen and if so is there a recording?

Or is this a plant to bring up Biden's work in Ukraine?



I think it's a plant to give Biden a way of suggesting that an investigation is a politically driven situation.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:53 pm to
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So?

Is this illegal?


Is is ethical to ask the leader of a foreign government to prosecute your political opponent?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:53 pm to
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or doesn't matter that he did it?

it's no worse than the governments of Australia and UK coordinating to create an investigation of the President of the US

this is not nearly the hot potato that the news made it out to be the past 48 hours
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68453 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:54 pm to
Is this one of those deals where trump says something offhand and people take it as gospel like with the Russia investigation?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:54 pm to
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Is is ethical to ask the leader of a foreign government to prosecute your political opponent?


Joe's son is running for POTUS too? Wow, that is a crowded field... You are such a putz...
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:54 pm to
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What's ironic is that Biden was pushing for the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor because he wasn't doing enough to prosecute corruption there.



And you are accusing Trump of malfeasance here because he wants the Ukraine government to prosecute corruption as if that is now bad because Trump does it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Is is ethical to ask the leader of a foreign government to prosecute your political opponent?


you're already fricking it up. investigation is not prosecution

and that literally happened to Trump already. i didn't see you screaming about the Meuller investigation (that exonerated Trump on the Russian coordination angle fully).
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Is is ethical to ask the leader of a foreign government to prosecute your political opponent?


How's that now?
Posted by airlinehwypanhandler
Airline Highway
Member since Feb 2019
2130 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:55 pm to
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!

-Democrats during the Weissman-Mueller investigation
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:55 pm to
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Is this one of those deals where trump says something offhand and people take it as gospel like with the Russia investigation?


Well it's pretty difficult to misunderstand something Trump asked for 8 times.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Is is ethical to ask the leader of a foreign government to prosecute your political opponent?


It certainly is ethical to call the police if they commit a crime.

Same thing.

Biden is not special.
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 2:57 pm
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