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re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted on 12/12/25 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 12:37 pm to
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That images were changed.

Was not exposed. That's not a truthful statement.

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You keep scoffing because you've never bought into any fraud occuring in 2020.

Well people like you keep lying about the evidence to make it seem like fraud occurred, just like you did above.

I have maintained that I await legitimate, credible evidence.

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You will be hearing more information about Smartmatic and Venezula

See, duckbill? Those who have had their thought processes completely hijacked will say anything, regardless of its attachment to reality.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59230 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 12:49 pm to
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Hope the baby gets better. Sad for the innocent. If there any. I’m certainly not.


Thank you. He’s definitely an innocent.
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 12:50 pm to
Similarly, does anyone have any theories as to why the CO Sec of State leaking voting machine passwords (which the state of CO said was “a serious breach of voting system security”) didn’t lead to any punishment?

And I don’t even necessarily mean criminally. This woman is still the CO Sec of State.

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This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 12:55 pm
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:03 pm to
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Her habeas petition was poured out of court.


Thanks. I missed that one. There is plenty to be learned here.
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1041 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:06 pm to
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The problem is similar to one with cults when they're prosecuted.

Those who admit the issues and repent and criticize the cult will get leniency. Those who refuse and keep promoting the cult will get hammered.

Example: Allison Mack (Got 3 years instead of 14-17) v. Clare Bronfman (81 months) in the Nxivm case.

Had Peters come out and say she was taken advantage of by Mike Lindell's agents during her grieving period for her son, and it was all nonsense that she believed due to this exploitation, and it's all bunk, etc., she probably gets 0 jail time.


Factually, there is no counterargument. Nevertheless, the example is easy distinguishable. If Tina Peters is allowed to proceed in her nefarious ways, we aren't in danger of her branding someone's genitals, or trafficking you women to JD Vance.

Instead, the worst that happens is she gets herself an internet account and posts conspiracy theories. Are we giving her 9 years because of the potential she corrupts the denizens of TigerDroppings?
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:13 pm to
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Well that's the gist. If you're so clearly wrong and not only unremorseful for the crime, but still outwardly support the organization that inspired you to commit crimes, that risk of future crime gets higher. This isn't a jailhouse psychological sizing up based on gut.

I agree it can be annoying, and there are ways to statutorily fix this, but she's being treated like almost every other criminal defendant is.

It destroys the narrative that she was singled out or is being treated differently


Yes, there are commonalities to our concerns about structural issues in our systems, but there is still a point of departure.

Peters is not being treated the same as everyone else. We can show that the sentence is allowable, but we would struggle to find comparable situations where someone was punished at the same level for the same statutory offense. We would even struggle to find analagous punishments at that severity for analagous defenses. Indeed, the potential comparators happen to have the same political ideology at roughly the same point in our history.

Also, a potential remedy is statutory. As there does not appear to be legislative will to create such a remedy, then persons are naturally going to approach other remedies. Indeed, if the sole remedy was statutory, it would only be effectuated by raising the voices of the disaffected to such a level that legislative action would become fait accompli. That outpouring is the exact type of things these actions will accomplish.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:27 pm to
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Hi Folks, Juan here:

New info on Tina Peters. If you haven’t heard, President Trump issued a pardon for Tina Peters yesterday! That’s the good news. The bad news is that Colorado Governor Polis has made it clear that he will not allow federal intervention into a Colorado State case; and he’s not letting Tina out.

What is not widely understood is that this was fully anticipated and researched.

President Trump is on very solid ground on multiple basis and multiple attorneys have vetted the process ahead.

So here's what I would say to everybody. Keep it simple. Federal law was broken by Colorado. Judge Matthew Barrett refused to let the jury hear her defense. Federal law requires the evidence be preserved. 41 motions were denied. The jury never got to hear the truth.

Mesa County Clerk Peters is the only clerk in the state of Colorado that preserved proof of Secretary of State Jenna Griswold's authorization of the deletion of State and federal election records illegally. Dominion vote systems did the deleting in violation of their contracts both State and Federal.


Three things…

One:

President Trump is about to reassert a Federal authority concerning pardons that existed prior to Lincoln. Just like ‘a previous court’ was wrong about Roe vs Wade, the states have been wrong for 150 years on presidential pardon authority. That is about to be challenged hard and Trump will easily win just like he did when Colorado courts unanimously worked to remove him from the ballot and the Supreme Court unanimously trounced the Colorado courts and put Trump on the ballot.


Two:

The Clerk manages, collects, tabulates, reports, protects election data for the US House of Representatives under Federal authority. This has been forgotten and over-written over time; it is about to be revisited. Three: Trump is going to declare a national emergency concerning elections. When he does, he will also exercise authority over every aspect of the election process and no court will have authority to challenge his actions within the context of that National Emergency. Dark to light. At that moment he can/will take physical custody of Tina as an expert and can even make her an election czar when her health is stabilized! For extra credit, Tina can assist and will be a witness/whistle blower concerning prison conditions and failures in the Colorado prison system…..that is also, now, an active federal investigation.


Finally, remember, the Justice Departments investigations concerning vote fraud in Colorado became criminal investigations six months ago! That’s not an earth quake, it may have started as chest pounding by the Gov and other state officials but soon it’s going to be knees knocking in the capitol buildings of Colorado! Juan
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 1:30 pm
Posted by loogaroo
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:36 pm to
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Mesa County Clerk Peters is the only clerk in the state of Colorado that preserved proof of Secretary of State Jenna Griswold's authorization of the deletion of State and federal election records illegally. Dominion vote systems did the deleting in violation of their contracts both State and Federal.


Has this been confirmed?
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
19341 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:14 pm to
Hodgetwins:

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Send in the marines to break her out


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Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:16 pm to
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Lara Logan: "(Trump) is obviously more than aware she was convicted under State law in Colorado"
That is a big assumption, Lara.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
43235 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:16 pm to
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Where is the conflicting state law vs federal law? And will the governor challenge it in that jacked up state of CO?


Incoming SFP for the next 20 pages
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
19341 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:27 pm to
What Colorado redacted from a federal prison letter—and why it matters

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In its order, the court acknowledged that Peters raises significant constitutional issues, including First Amendment and federal-law claims, but said those questions must first be addressed by Colorado courts. The ruling closed one door. It left the larger conflict untouched. The jury never weighed the central issue in the case—what federal election law required of a local clerk. Federal statutes require election officials to preserve records tied to federal elections. Peters has consistently maintained that her actions as Mesa County clerk were taken to comply with those federal preservation requirements. Her defense was that the evidence she preserved was required by federal law and could not legally be destroyed. At trial, the court ruled that jurors would not hear that defense. They were not allowed to consider whether federal law required the actions Peters was accused of taking or whether compliance with federal mandates explained those actions. The case proceeded without the jury evaluating that legal context.



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While federal courts have declined to intervene judicially during the appeal, the Bureau of Prisons’ letter shows that federal officials reached a different conclusion administratively. The unredacted document reflects a federal assessment that Peters’ confinement conditions were incompatible with factors specific to her case. Colorado rejected that assessment and redacted it from public view. Habeas relief is narrow. Federal authority is not. Federal agencies retain authority over matters involving federal evidence, federal proceedings and the handling of individuals whose actions intersect with federal law. The Bureau of Prisons does not request custody of state inmates lightly, and requests like this are rare. That rarity makes the redactions more consequential, not less.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8958 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:38 pm to
Apparently President Trump lied about pardoning Peters yesterday. There is still nothing on the official list of pardons by Trump.

DOJ: Grants of Clemency by DJT
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 2:39 pm
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2187 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:43 pm to
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Apparently President Trump lied about pardoning Peters yesterday. There is still nothing on the official list of pardons by Trump.

shocked face
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62110 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:45 pm to
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Naw.

Both the truth and law are being ignored by Tina's fans.



SFP, the only thing that matters is the truth.

You had an opportunity to answer his question, and didn't.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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19341 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42270 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:50 pm to
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Or for why people are knowingly dishonest.


I enjoy calling them out.

In the very least, it is entertaining.

I’m sorry about your bambino.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8958 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:52 pm to
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shocked face


Do you think the President knows he can't pardon through social media?

What will be the explanation when someone asks about this?

"The President clearly meant that he was SYMBOLICALLY pardoning Tina Peters. I mean, have you READ the Constitution? What a maroon you would have to be that the President is pardoning someone for a STATE crime."
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62110 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:04 pm to
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The judge provided examples of her *actions* that showed a lack of remorse.



He suggested she wasn't deserving of leniency because, unlike many that sit in that chair, she WASN'T a drug addict or alcohol addict. She didn't have mental health issues. And, she didn't come from a broken home. She had the audacity of having 4 attorneys. And, he stated her real problem is that she didn't think what she did was wrong.

Everything about that rant from the judge is backwards as to the way it should be.
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