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re: Trump names government officials who are "Officially Under Review for Security Clearance"
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:04 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:04 pm to ProjectP2294
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For who?
the employer, at minimum. who in the case of the DOD would be the taxpayer
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:04 pm to MrLSU
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1. James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence
2. James Comey, former FBI Director
3. Michael Hayden, former Director of NSA
4. Sally Yates, former Deputy Attorney General
5. Susan Rice, former National Security Advisor
6. Andrew McCabe, former Deputy Director of FBI
7. Peter Strzok, now terminated FBI Agent
8. Lisa Page, former FBI Lawyer
9. Bruce Ohr, former Associate Deputy Attorney Genera
Most everyone on this list should be in jail
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There's no reason for any of these people to have any clearance at this point
I don't think you know what a security clearance is, or how it works. Once you get a clearance, it is valid until it expires, no matter who you are working for. Unless you break the requirements, which would have to be proved.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:13 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Why is this even a thing? None of these people have a job that they would need security clearance for anyway.
clearance is approved for a period of time, and it is usually left to run its course and expire unless it needs to be maintained or revoked for cause (beyond just leaving the position).
Plenty of private citizens get clearance to perform a specific function and keep it until it expires.
That said, those listed have used their perceived position of inside knowledge to spread false narratives and in some cases straight up propaganda, so revoking their clearance immediately is reasonable. It's also completely benign, which makes the outrage (feigned or genuine) that much funnier.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:13 pm to MrLSU
I am outraged...that these people still have a security clearance to begin with. Kick them all out. I don't care "how security clearance works". It's stupid. If you are no longer working the job for which you needed the clearance, it should be automatically revoked.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:16 pm to GRTiger
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t's also completely benign, which makes the outrage (feigned or genuine) that much funnier.
It would also make all the celebration seem weird. In addition to making the action itself pointless.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:22 pm to 90proofprofessional
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It would also make all the celebration seem weird. In addition to making the action itself pointless.
It is not pointless to eliminate perceived credibility these people capitalized on to set a narrative.
Next week, Clapper and Brennan will just be opinionated partisans. Last week, they were former IC members with clearance and working knowledge of blah blah blah.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:25 pm to GRTiger
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It is not pointless to eliminate perceived credibility these people capitalized on to set a narrative.
"capitalizing on perceived credibility to set a narrative" doesn't really have any bearing on the question of whether an individual has passed the background check requirements for access to classified materials
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:25 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Why is this even a thing? None of these people have a job that they would need security clearance for anyway.
Sorta what I was thinking.
Naturally Donnie is looking for a new source of red meat for his base....and you see that playing out in this thread.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:26 pm to 90proofprofessional
Ok 
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:27 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:32 pm to GRTiger
quote:
Ok
making it pointless with regard to the actual function and purpose of a clearance
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:37 pm to 9th life
As a former holder of said security clearance, let me clear this up.
It's valid for 5 years. Meaning you only need one FBI investigation every 5 years. If you finish your job, as say a CIA agent, in 3 years, than your clearance is still valid for 2 more years. Meaning a new government agency, private company, etc. that hires you doesn't need to get you a new investigation (over 100k).
The part people don't understand is being "read in" and being "read out". You show up, you are read in (these are the rules, this is what you have a "need to know" for). You leave, you are read out (you are no longer legally able to do/hear/read the same things you were yesterday). Sign some NDAs, which is another thing no one understands, and move on with your life.
I got out of the Marine Corps and had a clearance for a year while I did public safety work. I couldn't exactly hop on and see what China was working on anymore.
It's valid for 5 years. Meaning you only need one FBI investigation every 5 years. If you finish your job, as say a CIA agent, in 3 years, than your clearance is still valid for 2 more years. Meaning a new government agency, private company, etc. that hires you doesn't need to get you a new investigation (over 100k).
The part people don't understand is being "read in" and being "read out". You show up, you are read in (these are the rules, this is what you have a "need to know" for). You leave, you are read out (you are no longer legally able to do/hear/read the same things you were yesterday). Sign some NDAs, which is another thing no one understands, and move on with your life.
I got out of the Marine Corps and had a clearance for a year while I did public safety work. I couldn't exactly hop on and see what China was working on anymore.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:45 pm to The Blind Side
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It's valid for 5 years
that's the TS/SCI still, right? when i was in the simple Secret was an auto for 10 years too
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:55 pm to 90proofprofessional
You said revoking the clearance (I.e. "the action") was pointless. I said it wasn't. You respond with your last two nonsensical and irrelevant posts.
Thanks?
Thanks?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:58 pm to MrLSU
Members of Obama's Gestapo.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:59 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Very true - no security clearance is necessary for any of these individuals
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:02 pm to MrLSU
Do that’s his Enemies List. Nice.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:02 pm to TigerDoc
quote:RMN is smiling down ....
Gotta give it to him. The man knows how to keep an enemies list.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:06 pm to GRTiger
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You said revoking the clearance (I.e. "the action") was pointless.
yes, if benign. but it causes them harm, which is its purpose, so it's can't be benign as you said. if it were in fact benign, it'd be pointless.
it certainly doesn't eliminate their credibility, as it is simply an action the president has the authority to make as retribution. they don't know any less classified stuff than they did this morning.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 4:08 pm
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