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re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Is Using H-1B Visas says The Huffington Post!
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:37 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:37 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:It's self-perpetuating crap. It's like inserting a clup of cancer cells into the body to eat up a tumor that needs to be destroyed, but then leaving the cancer in and it slowly destroys the reast of the healthy body.
Yeah, it's just what I do for a living now. LOL
Oddly enough, I haven't had a day off in over three weeks? Why? Because I'm responsible for staffing several roles on the west coast where 90% of the current candidate pool that I am seeking require sponsorship. My company will sponsor employees, but they want us to literally kill ourselves trying to find American workers first, which I'm fine with.
I've collected a ton of data the past year that supports specific skill sets where 90+% of the pool that actually has it is visa dependent. It is a fact.
Personally, I don't care what this board thinks. LOL
The problem lies in the fact that once the Indians are in place, they are not training Americans to take over the role. Instead, they are assisting and supporting other Indians to learn and be sponsored over, or they are moving the work to India.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:38 am to Placebeaux
quote:
Trump is Right
- Huffington Post
Kiss your loved ones. The end is nigh.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:39 am to HubbaBubba
quote:Here's the rub: why wouldn't you do this? Software isn't like manufacturing. Even if it were a good idea, which it isn't, there's no physical, terminal product that can easily be tariffed as it crosses borders. How do you stop people from using websites and downloading programs?
The problem lies in the fact that once the Indians are in place, they are not training Americans to take over the role. Instead, they are assisting and supporting other Indians to learn and be sponsored over, or they are moving the work to India.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:42 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Not what you stated. That part is true. What is occurring is utter bullshite because, well, see my other post. The problem is like getting your acting card in Hollywood. In order to get your acting card, you need to have experience as an actor. Unfortunately, you can't get experience as an actor because you don't have an acting card.
It's not BS. This is absolutely correct.
My spouse is an IBM/DELL/Perot Systems/SAP/Cloud exec. I agree with you, but I hear all the time how the U.S. companies refuse to apply assets to train, and refuse to make the Indians train others in the U.S.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:49 am to Bard
quote:
Start talking to universities about adapting their curriculum. NLU's (now ULM's) IS/CS programs were pretty much feeder programs for WalMart's backend (which is why COBOL was still part of the degree requirements into at least the late 2000's).
I do this! I'm on six curriculum advisory boards.
I am also on a board that helps set up a HS curriculum for future IT majors.
I am also working on a team within my company to help train our current new hires on these technologies.
I'm all up in this bizz...LOL
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:50 am to HubbaBubba
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The problem lies in the fact that once the Indians are in place, they are not training Americans to take over the role. Instead, they are assisting and supporting other Indians to learn and be sponsored over, or they are moving the work to India.
Not at my company...
The challenge is the time it takes to train while these American resources are on the bench, getting paid to do nothing.
We are learning to work around various situations, but this isn't just an easy fix that can happen over night.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:03 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Would some IT companies be short of talent if H1Bs were sent home? Most definitely.
I guess we need more tech classes in college and less women's studies and black history classes.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:06 am to skrayper
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As a person who works in the tech sector, I can tell you that a lot of Americans are NOT qualified for several software development positions.
If a guy from India can come in and code for a company, and the alternative is wait for someone who is American a full 6-12 months to get up to speed, in which time the product is no longer viable...
I have zero problem with this, except, companies are bringing in thousands of foreign workers and paying them far less than their American counterparts.
If the cost of bringing in a foreign worker was the same as for a US citizen, then the number of visas would be in line with the need for talent, not the desire for cheap labor, which is what we have now.
I work for a company that has outsourced their IT work to a company that uses almost exclusively Indian workers. Instead of using American workers and supplementing them with H-1Bs, they use 99% H-1Bs. Saves a lot of money.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:08 am to EZE Tiger Fan
WAHHHHHHHH we're going to have to pay our engineers what they're actuallly worth instead of hiring poo in loos with a degree they found in a newspaper stand in Dehli. 
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:13 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
I do this! I'm on six curriculum advisory boards.
I am also on a board that helps set up a HS curriculum for future IT majors.
I am also working on a team within my company to help train our current new hires on these technologies.
I'm all up in this bizz...LOL
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:14 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Are there some companies abusing this? Of course, but that is NOT what I see as a norm. Besides, those with these skill sets that are in demand will leave their employer if they are underpaid and go elsewhere. One of the reasons why they love America. LOL
I'm not an H1B expert so correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought that was one of the stipulations of the visa - that foreign workers *can't* leave because they are sponsored by the employer? So once the foreign worker gets here and realizes they are underpaid, they can't just apply for a new higher paying job because they are tied to the employer sponsoring their visa.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:44 am to Lightning
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I'm not an H1B expert so correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought that was one of the stipulations of the visa - that foreign workers *can't* leave because they are sponsored by the employer? So once the foreign worker gets here and realizes they are underpaid, they can't just apply for a new higher paying job because they are tied to the employer sponsoring their visa.
This is mostly correct. It is possible for an H-1B visa holder to find another company willing to sponsor them, but it rarely happens. I've known a couple of people who have done this, but it is difficult. The companies that abuse the H-1B visas won't take transfers.
The statement was made that H-1Bs only dominate a couple of IT sectors in the US. That is true, but what do you think will happen if we open up the program even more. In my sector, this started happening about 15 years ago, and the offshore Indian workers were inferior, but you could hire 3-4 Indian workers for the price of 1 US based worker, so the idea was that you could bludgeon the coding by throwing more people at it. As time went on, the Indian workers became more proficient, and their willingness to work for less drove American workers out of those sectors. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Initially, they brought those workers over here under the guise that they needed the help. Eventually, enough Americans left those sectors to the point where we really do need the help. I mean, what did we do before the Mexican migrant workers came to pick our apples? Now they claim that they can't fine any Americans to do the work. True, because the Mexicans have driven the wage down to the point were Americans look for work elsewhere.
This problem would not be a problem if we had a way of ensuring that hiring offshore workers didn't save companies money. Employers would then hire H-1Bs when there are no Americans available. That will prevent this problem from spreading to other sectors.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:46 am to Iosh
quote:
Wait, this was in doubt?
It seems that Huff Po doubted it based on the OP.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:47 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
I do this! I'm on six curriculum advisory boards.
I am also on a board that helps set up a HS curriculum for future IT majors.
I am also working on a team within my company to help train our current new hires on these technologies.
I'm all up in this bizz...LOL
And yet you've expressly stated a falsehood regarding H-1Bs, therefore displaying your ignorance for all to see. I'd try being a little less pompous if I were you.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:52 am to HubbaBubba
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The problem lies in the fact that once the Indians are in place, they are not training Americans to take over the role. Instead, they are assisting and supporting other Indians to learn and be sponsored over, or they are moving the work to India.
They're not taking jobs in the education sector.
Is that how you think IT jobs are? That you get apprenticed to some guy and sit behind him for 6-12 months watching him write code?
IT jobs are not like manufacturing jobs. You can't just "learn on the fly" how to do it. It takes an educational base.
If the Universities aren't providing it, that's not the fault of American businesses.
I can assure you, the hassle of going through sponsorship can make a lot of companies balk at the lower wages of getting imported labor. The fact of the matter is that, in India especially, they're learning things that either:
A.) No one wants to teach
B.) No one wants to learn
Blaming other countries for disappearing IT jobs is a cop out. If you want the IT job, learn the trade. Don't get on a message board and complain about the loss of jobs the people around you aren't even remotely qualified to hold.
Besides, couple that with the best in these fields that are Americans being snatched up by jobs that require clearance, and there's a dearth of reasonably qualified applicants.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:53 am to skrayper
quote:
If a guy from India can come in and code for a company,
And how did this guy from India learn that skill? Could an American have been up to speed if he was accepted into the same US college. Or given an opportunity as an intern in that same US company
Is there a secret underground coding operation going on in India that the US cant compete with. OMG! The horror!
Your post is a lot of nuanced bullshite, btw
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:58 am to skrayper
quote:From his cousin, Mahir, who is in the U.S. already and who mirrors him as he learns to code.
And how did this guy from India learn that skill?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:02 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
From his cousin, Mahir, who is in the U.S. already and who mirrors him as he learns to code.
Learning how to code this way would be like trying to learn how to drive from watching reruns of Dukes of Hazard.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:03 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
We are learning to work around various situations, but this isn't just an easy fix that can happen over night.
I see you've bought into the bullshite, too
As someone with 23 years of HR experience, tons of referrals were the direct result of someone in the company. So if tech companies began an active push for cheaper labor, guess what those people are going to do?
Refer people that they know, do the same
The reason its hard for Americans, is because you POS have created that environment to begin with
All in the name of profit. Which I'm a big fan of, but not if it means putting my neighbor, or my kids out of a job
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:19 am to Jax-Tiger
If the 941 tax form went away it would solve a lot of the problems businesses have when it comes to cost of employment. The fact that the government gets to double dip on the hard work of people is ridiculous. Take away the tax matching by employers and watch the unemployment rate go down and the wages go up.
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