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Trump is his own worst enemy, and easily could have locked this thing down along time ago

Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:44 am
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8858 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:44 am
But he insists on stepping on rakes. He can't seem to help himself.

I'm not sure who is advising him, but it's probably the same people that told him to prop up and slobber over Dr. Fauci.

His continual lack of strategic judgement, tells me that he has not changed in this department. And the major concern would be when they re-run the same playbooks from Russia-Gate and Covid, but with different players and different wrinkles. Will he have the instincts to deal with these challenges? Or will we be 4 years out getting the truth after all the damage is already done.

We just don't have time for excuses and playing the victim game anymore. It's time to figure out how to win, and I am not sold Trump can do that.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 9:45 am
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
28589 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:48 am to
If Trump loses the nomination, what does he do? Does he endorse DeSantis? Does he have another J6 type rally and claim fraud or run 3rd party and sink DeSantis’ chances to win the general?

The fact none of us have any idea what he would do, and that running third party is just as likely as endorsing DeSantis if not more likely, is just another reason to know he’s not the best choice. He’s not America First.
Posted by Bayou Brat
Member since Jul 2021
1023 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:51 am to
I see your point but Trump's behavior draws out the undercover GOPe like nothing else I've ever seen. He exposed many that we thought were solid conservatives who have America's best interest at heart.


Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19978 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:52 am to
Prepare for being downvoted to oblivion by the fanboys.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11484 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:52 am to
I said this even during his presidency. He just cannot shut up when nothing needs to be said.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:53 am to
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If Trump loses the nomination, what does he do? Does he endorse DeSantis? Does he have another J6 type rally and claim fraud or run 3rd party and sink DeSantis’ chances to win the general?


1st, I think Trump will pretty easily win the nomination...there are too many "Only Trump" voters to allow anyone else much of a chance this time.

But, hypothetically, if DeSantis were to pull it off, is there ANYONE here who thinks that Trump would fall in line, as has been the custom forever, or the loser to get behind the nominee and urge his voters to vote for that person?

Not sure he'd go 3rd party, but it's possible...but there NO WAY he'd fall in line and support a person that had beaten him. It's not in his DNA.

And that's because this isn't about "our movement" on The Right. It's about Trump, and supporting DeSantis after losing does nothing for Trump's brand.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:54 am to
He has already locked it down.


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We just don't have time for excuses and playing the victim game anymore.


LMAO!


WOW!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123941 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:57 am to
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but there NO WAY he'd fall in line and support a person that had beaten him. It's not in his DNA.
If RDD beats him, that won't be necessary. Going 3rd party would guarantee a Dem win.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8858 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:03 am to
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1st, I think Trump will pretty easily win the nomination


I think Trump certainly is the favorite. But the more he goes down this self destructive path, and say he doesn't perform well in Iowa and NH, the momentum could swing quickly.

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Not sure he'd go 3rd party, but it's possible...but there NO WAY he'd fall in line and support a person that had beaten him. It's not in his DNA.


I think it is highly likely he goes 3rd party. I think our chances to win 24 are slim to none anyway. It would have to be an actual miracle to overcome the illegal ballot gathering machine the Dems have put in place (thanks in some part to actions taken by Trump in 2020).
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 10:04 am
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27147 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:05 am to
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I'm not sure who is advising him


This has always been Trump's weakest point for me...
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:05 am to
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I think Trump certainly is the favorite. But the more he goes down this self destructive path, and say he doesn't perform well in Iowa and NH, the momentum could swing quickly.



No future nominee has lost win having this high of support at this time.


A second mile stone is the amount of national political support.. over 60. No candidate has ever lost the nomination when reaching that point.


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36047 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:08 am to
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eaten him. It's not in his DNA. If RDD beats him, that won't be necessary. Going 3rd party would guarantee a Dem win.


I sincerely doubt Ttump would bow out if he somehow lost the nomination, and he would probably start a third party.

But I do believe he wins the nomination.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79226 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:12 am to
There is a lot of panic right now because

A) Trump's hits on Paul Ryan and that type of thing never really landed and are losing steam. When the Trump campaign started hitting Ron from the left they didn't think team DeSantis would dig in and go even further right. They thought he'd respond by catering to big money interests and beginning to soften, which the campaign could use to make the Fox News/Paul Ryan thing stick. Instead DeSantis did the opposite - he stuck to his guns and intentionally alienated some major GOPe money. Whether that will work for Ron in the longterm is questionable, but it derailed the Trump campaign plan and has put them in an awkward position.

B) Trump himself has a major credibility issue with genuine conservatives at the moment and the most influential conservative America gets in the race this evening. He can't do anything about Ron scaring the NeverTrump crowd and that crowd trying to fuel the Trump campaign to avoid Ron getting the nomination.

C) Trump's people really, really, really don't like the launch on Twitter with Elon. They were told by their little social media influencers that Ron's launch would consist entirely of a high dollar GOPe fundraiser and this was a major gut punch for them. It specifically targets Trump's limitation with Truth Social.

I will say that in a week this will settle and we'll see if Ron's launch is reflected in polling a few weeks after that/ I think it's inevitable he'll close the gap somewhat considerably. How close and how quickly? Don't know. Trump people fear a major spike from people who got fatigued of waiting on Ron and went back to Trump (at least in polling). If it's a minor bump or more incremental growth, you'll see the Trump sycophants on here get their confidence back quickly (at least in the near term).
Posted by Barbarosa
Bawcomville
Member since May 2023
83 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:17 am to
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1st, I think Trump will pretty easily win the nomination...there are too many "Only Trump" voters to allow anyone else much of a chance this time.



Has DeSantis even entered yet? It's way too early to tell who has it locked down. The polls right now don't mean anything at all. There's still plenty of time for him to screw up and Ron to show he's the man for the job.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
9928 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:21 am to
It is because he is NOT a politician and doesn't do politically correct speak well. Isn't that what we want? Don't we want a non-politician? Sure, until we actually get one and then nobody likes the way he openly lies, instead of lying to our face while stabbing us in the back. Folks, they all lie. That is part of politics, spinning the facts in your favor. He just tells it like he sees it, right or wrong, like it or not.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25000 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:24 am to
The establishment is doing all it can to attack Trump and you’re blaming Trump because he’s being attacked?
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8858 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:43 am to
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you’re blaming Trump because he’s being attacked


Trump sets his own landmines over and over. We waste so much time and energy having to constantly run cover for his f*ckups. He's just not effective in the ways we need him to be effective.
Posted by Oabafu
Wisconsin
Member since Jan 2022
664 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 11:49 am to
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He just cannot shut up when nothing needs to be said.


I blame his staff and 'handlers' for NOT having the balls to take away his phone.

His mouth is definitely his own worst enema in my opinion, like you said, He just cannot shut up!

Posted by Oabafu
Wisconsin
Member since Jan 2022
664 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 12:05 pm to
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He just tells it like he sees it


I liked his transparency, there was nothing he did that the world didn't know about. He took what O'BUNGhole promised the country, but NEVER delivered, to all new levels. Worst part was, NO ONE did anything, everything was always "I, I, I, I, I......".

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25000 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:14 pm to
You think DeSantis will be treated any different?

You’re kidding yourself.

Stop believing the establishment.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 6:34 pm
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