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re: Trump floats plan to get working illegals brought back legally on a fast-track route
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:31 am to Ingeniero
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:31 am to Ingeniero
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"So a farmer will come in with a letter concerning certain people, saying they’re great, they’re working hard.
This is brilliant. Bringing the letter is proof that you knowingly hired illegals.
Enjoy El Salvador.
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Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:31 am to Ingeniero
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Curious where the PT stands on this. I don't think bringing back good, hardworking immigrants is a bad idea especially in industries that need them. It does seem unfair that they'll get to "skip the line" so to speak, though
Hasn't that always been Trumps position?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:33 am to OysterPoBoy
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This is brilliant. Bringing the letter is proof that you knowingly hired illegals.
Enjoy El Salvador.
This isn't 8D Backgammon.
With this and the admin abandoning the "bring manufacturing back" goal of the trade war, I wonder how the rank and file react.
So not bringing manufacturing back.
Still relying on "slave labor" domestically to replace American workers, depressing wages across the board for that tier of worker.
The "Nation, not an economic zone" bros won't like all the brown people allowed to live here, either.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:33 am to LegendInMyMind
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the people/businesses that facilitated this problem should not get a free pass under any circumstances.
I agree but I’m sure they have government officials in their pockets.
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And without a commitment to upholding the laws we already have, this shift by Trump means absolutely nothing because we will be right back in the same mess in a few years.
Possibly but (perhaps naively) I’m hoping with a reasonable way to obtain legal status, most immigrants would go that route.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:34 am to OysterPoBoy
quote:
This is brilliant. Bringing the letter is proof that you knowingly hired illegals.
Enjoy El Salvador.
You can't possibly believe that.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:But if employers vouch for them, isn't the business then admitting that they had been hiring illegals, and doesn't that warrant an IRS investigation as to how that business was paying them, and whether proper taxes were being withheld.
President Donald Trump suggested at a Cabinet meeting Thursday that undocumented people working on farms and in hotels would be allowed to leave the country and return as legal workers if their employers vouched for them.
So is Trump going to absolve all the businesses out there that have been hiring undocumented, no green card illegals??
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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Still relying on "slave labor" domestically to replace American workers
I would say this plan would get rid of slave labor domestically. That's the point of bringing them back on record.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:36 am to HubbaBubba
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So is Trump going to absolve all the businesses out there that have been hiring undocumented, no green card illegals??
Nobody knows
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:37 am to OysterPoBoy
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I would say this plan would get rid of slave labor domestically. That's the point of bringing them back on record
So you think they'll work for wages Americans would work for?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:37 am to Ingeniero
quote:This is not the same as a sponsored H1B. I oppose. Employers will say anything to get cheap labor.
if their employers vouched for them.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:38 am to HubbaBubba
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So is Trump going to absolve all the businesses out there that have been hiring undocumented, no green card illegals??
Nobody really knows. Maybe it's a trial balloon, maybe it's a well-considered policy, maybe it's something he said off the cuff and he'll never mention it again.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:38 am to HubbaBubba
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So is Trump going to absolve all the businesses out there that have been hiring undocumented, no green card illegals??
Yes.
ETA: It wouldn't even be a marked change from the status quo.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 9:42 am
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:41 am to 4cubbies
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I agree but I’m sure they have government officials in their pockets.
Of course, and those officials play for both teams.
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Possibly but (perhaps naively) I’m hoping with a reasonable way to obtain legal status, most immigrants would go that route.
That would be the hope and legitimate oversight would be an insurance policy.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:45 am to Ingeniero
"I don't think bringing back good, hardworking immigrants is a bad idea especially in industries that need them. It does seem unfair that they'll get to "skip the line" so to speak, though"
At least in agriculture, there have always been programs that would tend (historically) to favor Mexican ag workers over other types of immigrants, to fill a need in our economy. At least in theory, I could live with something like that again.
But here is something I don't think I have ever heard, and if it were up to me, it would be a part of any deal that favors those who entered the country illegally: no path to citizenship. Permanent resident alien ("green card") would be the max status for these people. Sure, their kids would be citizens, but at least there would be some distinction between those who entered the country in a legal fashion and those who did not.
At least in agriculture, there have always been programs that would tend (historically) to favor Mexican ag workers over other types of immigrants, to fill a need in our economy. At least in theory, I could live with something like that again.
But here is something I don't think I have ever heard, and if it were up to me, it would be a part of any deal that favors those who entered the country illegally: no path to citizenship. Permanent resident alien ("green card") would be the max status for these people. Sure, their kids would be citizens, but at least there would be some distinction between those who entered the country in a legal fashion and those who did not.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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So you think they'll work for wages Americans would work for?
Who know what American's would work for? I said they won't be slave wages. They will have to be reported.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:37 am to Ingeniero
We need an efficient way of getting immigrants workers in our country. The labor is needed but we need to get the criminals out. We also should give visas for prime breeding stock
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:39 am to OysterPoBoy
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Who know what American's would work for?
We have lots of data (the time when these illegals were taker er jerbs) to answer this question.
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I said they won't be slave wages.
"Slave wages" is used by MAGA to mean anything they deem too cheap, and has been used to describe these domestic jobs (not just sweatshops abroad).
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:45 am to Flats
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Nobody really knows. Maybe it's a trial balloon, maybe it's a well-considered policy, maybe it's something he said off the cuff and he'll never mention it again.
Its another flippant statement that has zero meaning.
I dont trust anything he says because he always backtracks within hours or days.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:47 am to SallysHuman
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How about we skip that part this time, but add on a requirement that any American citizen wanting that job has first dibs, period.
There are none, unless you count methheads and fentanyl addicts.
We're already at full employment.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I dont trust anything he says because he always backtracks within hours or days.
No, it’s because you have major tds
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