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Trump Economy Exceeds 2017 Consensus GDP Forecasts by 36%
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:48 pm
quote:
Daniel Clifton
Sep 10
Watching this Hassett press conference. Tough questions are always welcome but press questions show an unwillingness to acknowledge the upward growth trajectory. Last year, consensus was 2% GDP & argued taxes would not change it. Growth trajectory has clearly changed. Accept it
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:52 pm to NC_Tigah
Are you trying to kill eyeore and texdixridder?
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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Last year, consensus was 2% GDP
That was not consensus for this year or next, especially once the deficit-financed tax cuts and larger budget passed.
Now, that IS close to the consensus level of potential underlying long-run real GDP. And that has not changed.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:59 pm to NC_Tigah
i'm not exactly sure what this is supposed to show. aren't both bars projections?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:00 pm to bmy
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i'm not exactly sure what this is supposed to show. aren't both bars projections?
the ones he's using to argue that $400b has been "recouped" are. they're projections for the next ten years. from the cbo, which is supposedly so terrible.
ETA: my bad that was for the other Clifton thread
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:03 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:You missed the news?
That was not consensus for this year or next, especially once the deficit-financed tax cuts and larger budget passed.
. . . . Yes it was a set up
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:05 pm to 90proofprofessional
Have you made any accurate predictions? Any predictions at all?
My predictions continue to be spot on, otherwise known as reality. Not even a variance of 1/100th of a percent on my predictions so far.
My predictions continue to be spot on, otherwise known as reality. Not even a variance of 1/100th of a percent on my predictions so far.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Yea, only the ignorant fringe left was arguing this. That wasn’t anything close to the consensus. Virtually everyone understands that tax cuts will lead to a short run boost in preformance. But that dissipates over the long run as prices adjust.
argued taxes would not change it
The policy more likely to have a permanent effect will be the regulation pullbacks. That’s where we should focus attention.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:14 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Yes it was a set up
Huh? That guy's analysis is shite. He doesn't even have CBO's estimate for TCJA correct, and he weirdly pulls certain years out of the full ten-year window they even use. His graphs are something straight out of a "things to not do when visualizing data" guide.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:58 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:Curious.
Huh? That guy's analysis is shite
So he charts 3 numbers:
(1) Pre-tax cut forecast - $13.237 T
(2) Post-tax cut forecast - $12.92 T
(3) Actual Revenues - $13.314 T
Which of those are wrong?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:29 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Trump Economy Exceeds 2017 Consensus GDP Forecasts by 36%
Breaking News from CNN: Multiple unnamed sources have confirmed that Robert Mueller is now investigating President Trump for being too productive as a government employee.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:32 pm to WeeWee
The word "too" was unnecessary.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:34 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:you're such a fricking retard
once the deficit-financed tax cuts and larger budget passed.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:36 pm to timdonaghyswhistle
quote:
The word "too" was unnecessary.
"That is what makes it an impeachable offense." - Toddy
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:58 pm to NC_Tigah
Well a stronger economy is a good thing; however, considering the first offical estimates, with are off by an average of +/- 0.4%, the BEA recently changed their model, and this done under the policy conditions well before tax cut policy proposal details were even known, let alone actually passed and implemented, this isn’t some inexcusable projection error.
So whoever argued this
So whoever argued this
quote:probably knows very little about economics, but this is irrelevant to a projection that didn’t include an future policy change that was an unknown at the time.
& argued taxes would not change it.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:03 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
You missed the news?
. . . . Yes it was a set up
Are you demented? Why are your wasting people's time with this Lucy-pull-the-football crap?
Your start with 2017-18, and then bring up 2003 numbers after folks have commented on 2017.
It must be easy for you to impress yourself.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:19 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I’m not sure how accurate the predictions are, but the effective corporate rate was actually higher in 2003-2007 (recession caused drop in 2008) and corporate tax receipts increased by about 20% YOY compared to about 5% from all other sources.
So he charts 3 numbers:
(1) Pre-tax cut forecast - $13.237 T
(2) Post-tax cut forecast - $12.92 T
(3) Actual Revenues - $13.314 T
Conversely Heritage Foundation predicted the 2001 tax cuts would:
quote:
Under President Bush's plan, an average family of four's inflation-adjusted disposable income would increase by $4,544 in fiscal year (FY) 2011, and the national debt would effectively be paid off by FY 2010.
quote:
The net tax revenue reduction, after accounting for the larger tax base that would result from higher employment and faster economic growth under the Bush plan, is $1.1 trillion from FY 2002 to FY 2011, 33.4 percent less than conventional static estimates.
quote:The Economic Impact of President Bush's Tax Relief Plan
The plan would save the entire Social Security surplus and increase personal savings while the federal government accumulated $1.8 trillion in uncommitted funds from FY 2008 to FY 2011, revenue that could be used to reform the Social Security and Medicare systems and reduce the payroll tax
Of course it’s argument was the same as it is today that dynamic models are superior:
quote:But the irony is that the static and dynamic models are also pretty much treating everything else as static, and neither can account for things like September 11th or an extreme economic crash; however, given that dynamic models rely on assumptions, they can also use statistically and empirically justifiable assumptions BUT always conveniently fall on the side of one’s bias (like climate predictions). Those can be problematic enough (compounding error), as seen in Heritage analysis, who at least does well-respected and credible work.
The reason static analysis is inaccurate is that it does not account for changes in gross domestic product (GDP), interest rates, employment, hours worked, personal income, savings, and inflation that result from a reduction in tax rates. Therefore, static estimates provide a very limited analysis of
But it gets much worse when the dishonest political machine gets involved and they add assumptions are added with no basis, to the extreme, and then the models become just nonsense, if not outright made up.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:28 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
So he charts 3 numbers:
None of them are sourced, and he excludes certain years of their typical window for some reason, conveniently making it a huge pain in the arse to check his work.
quote:
Which of those are wrong?
I said his analysis was shite, and it is. But out of morbid curiosity I decided to spot-check the first one. A pain in the arse, but what can I say. Depending on whether you use their actual published baseline, or interim ones used while the tax bill was moving thru committee, the first number is between 400 & 500 billion off.
So at minimum one of his numbers are shite, in addition to his conceptual analysis.
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