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Trump defense motions for dismissal, Merchan to issue decision tomorrow morning

Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:08 pm
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:08 pm
Gee. I wonder what he will decide. I will hardly sleep tonight anticipating his impartial decision.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:09 pm to
“Denied”
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96773 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:10 pm to
“There’s a frickin surprise!” - Vincent LaGuardia Gambini
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:11 pm to
Merchan holds Trump and lawyers in contempt for asking for dismissal.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94992 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:11 pm to
He already tipped his hand. But after his behavior in court this afternoon, he's going to pretend he's diligently mulling over the dismissal overnight before denying it.


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Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12901 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:12 pm to
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Trump defense motions for dismissal, Merchan to issue decision tomorrow morning


Democrats are on notice. Better crank up the cash machine for his daughter. And before the morning if they wanna be assured of their preferred ruling.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27114 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:16 pm to
The same judge who denied expert testimony because it’ll “confuse the jury” is now feigning indignation over their inability to determine the credibility of a witness statement?

This is an SNL skit
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:20 pm to
Merchan would essentially be admitting to a "two tiered" justice system .....not gonna happen.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96773 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:24 pm to
Apparently Trump is expected to bend over and say “Thank you sir, may I have another?”
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124536 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

The same judge who denied expert testimony because it’ll “confuse the jury” is now feigning indignation over their inability to determine the credibility of a witness statement?

This is an SNL skit
Except it isn't an SNL skit.
This is what currently passes for our "legal system" ... aka ... our legal system is third world shite!

Yet, there are lawyers here who defend and "explain" this 3rd world kangaroo court bs
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:30 pm to
But SlowFlowPro the esteemed attorney said this isnt lawfare
Posted by Wavefan
St. Tammany
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:31 pm to
Actually brings up an interesting issue where two different legal doctrines collide.

On the one hand, the trier of fact, which is the jury, is supposed to decide what to believe, including whether to believe something is true from someone who has been shown to be a liar.

On the other hand, the standard for a directed verdict is whether a reasonable jury could find that the prosecution has proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt. When there is a linchpin fact issue, and the only person who testified in the prosecution's favor on that fact issue is shown to be a liar, even to the point of having lied on the witness stand in that trial, it would not seem to me to be beyond the province of the judge as a gatekeeper to rule that no reasonable jury could find that the prosecution has proved all elements of its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

I had the experience in a civil trial many years ago of arguing for a directed defense verdict under a less onerous standard for the plaintiff of proof of each element of his case as more probable than not. The judge agreed with me that when the only witness who testified "this happened" was the plaintiff, and the plaintiff was shown to have lied to his doctors, to have lied in deposition, and to have lied under oath in the trial, no reasonable jury could find that he had carried his burden of proof. Jury dismissed, directed verdict for defense. But that judge had no political axe to grind.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124536 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:32 pm to
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SlowFlowPro the esteemed attorney said this isnt lawfare
SlowFlowPro, the esteemed attorney, indicated the concept of lawfare was illusive to him.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27838 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:33 pm to
I’m pretty sure this motion is standard in most cases.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27114 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:35 pm to
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But that judge had no political axe to grind.

Agree with your post 100%. But the quoted statement is the operative fact here, IMO.
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3147 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:35 pm to


How is this not jury tampering? Influencing the jury by a judge?

If you are the defendant. This is your bread and butter for appealing.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27114 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

This is what currently passes for our "legal system" ... aka ... our legal system is third world shite!

This is what happens when you have an elected judiciary, which makes judges at the state or district level squarely in the same tier of moron as state/local politicians.

*I’m assuming this guy is elected like LA’s state judges are.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 4:40 pm
Posted by TidenUP
Dauphin Island
Member since Apr 2011
14451 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:39 pm to


Basically, the judge is saying "So what if he lied under oath? The jury can separate that from the rest of the BS I allowed on the record."
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28187 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:40 pm to
Was the jury present for this?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27114 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:42 pm to
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Basically, the judge is saying "So what if he lied under oath? The jury can separate that

On its own, that would likely be proper. Witness credibility is theoretically for the jury to decide. It’s the defense’s job to jump up and down on it in their case and closing.

Given the whole body of work, this thing has mistrial and/or appellate remand for retrial written all over it.

Merchan is a clown that has no business being on the bench, regardless of how one feels about Donald Trump.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 4:43 pm
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