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re: Trump declares Biden’s pardons as VOID bc they were done by autopen
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:02 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:02 am to wackatimesthree
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But that was before populism reached a critical mass. It was before Trump was legitimately conspired against, had the DOJ weaponized against him, shot, etc. It was before the stuff that DOGE is turning up. It was before the Jan 6th miscarriage of justice.
It's not the same now as it was back in 2016.
Promise this stuff now, you better deliver.
My take is the opposite, and you see the argument here all the time. That stuff makes him more bulletproof to the faithful, not less. Those events extended his line of credit with the MAGA core.
Now I've also seen former faithful now asking WTF, and some of those will peel off, but Trump doesn't have to be elected again so he doesn't care.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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He says things so lemmings like you lap it up. Nothing more.
Yep, its a talking point movement.
Maybe Trumps smarter than I thought, he seems to keep these guys occupied and supportive even though he's helped bankrupt the country once.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:03 am to VoxDawg
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Most of the leg work with respect to proving the 2020 election fraud has already been done.
According to your orthodoxy, which is nothing but influencers.
Youre going to be very very disappointed.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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It just depends on how rapidly you can promise new things to change their focus like a heard of cats.
We'll see.
I think the accountability leash is shortening.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:04 am to wackatimesthree
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I think the accountability leash is shortening.
Bro, just look at them ignoring Trump's recent CR that gives us 6 more months of Biden-level spending. If they don't respond to THAT, the leash is long as shite.
*ETA: now they're celebrating Trump intentionally putting us into a major recession, on top of Biden's CR spending levels. Think about that combo in November 2024
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:04 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
If you can't handle the ride get off the train
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:05 am to LSUAngelHere1
Fun fact about presidential pardons. Jimmy Carter issued 200,000 pardons to Vietnam draft dodgers with Proclamation 4483
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:05 am to David Fellows
Void them all.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 9:07 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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According to your orthodoxy, which is nothing but influencers.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:07 am to Fun Bunch
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What part of the constitution says this
Which part of The Constitution says it’s illegal to commit murder?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:07 am to VoxDawg
More influencer nonsense.
Youre going to be very disappointed, and worse, disillusioned.
Youre going to be very disappointed, and worse, disillusioned.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:09 am to Flats
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My take is the opposite, and you see the argument here all the time. That stuff makes him more bulletproof to the faithful, not less. Those events extended his line of credit with the MAGA core.
You could be right, but a lot of people sure got upset over the Epstein file non-release.
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Trump doesn't have to be elected again so he doesn't care.
I think he does care. I think his ego is such that he will always care. You're right that he doesn't have to worry about re-election, but Trump's primary motivation is and always has been his own fragile ego.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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More influencer nonsense.
My graphic that I made referencing my own post that I made here on TD qualifies as 'influencer nonsense'?
Your attempts at flattery, while noted, will bear no effect.
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Youre going to be very disappointed, and worse, disillusioned.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:11 am to wackatimesthree
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My take is the opposite, and you see the argument here all the time. That stuff makes him more bulletproof to the faithful, not less. Those events extended his line of credit with the MAGA core.
You could be right, but a lot of people sure got upset over the Epstein file non-release.
They can blame Bondi for this and pretend if Gaetz were confirmed it would have been different.
To them, failures seem to reinforce the ideal that everyone is against him. Classic persecution complex.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 9:16 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:12 am to VoxDawg
Disillusionment crushes your values and ideals. Its not a lot of fun. I recommend starting the transition now to avoid a total breakdown in the future.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They can blame Bondi for this and pretend if Gaetz were confirmed it would have been different.
Yup the only person who could fix everything is Isreal Ron
We all fricked up
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Bro, just look at them ignoring Trump's recent CR that gives us 6 more months of Biden-level spending. If they don't respond to THAT, the leash is long as shite.
Read my first post.
I said promise ridiculous stuff.
Populists don't care about things like that. That's in the realm of actual policy. (Plus, did Trump ever promise to reduce spending? Not that I saw. Waste and fraud, yes, but not planned and approved spending).
I'm talking about Epstein files and usurping constitutional tradition (and possibly law) to dunk on Biden and prosecute the wrong-doers.
That's the stuff populists care about. They don't care about mundane stuff like tax policy or spending, unless there's a a narrative attached to it that includes a scandal perpetrated by societal Elites or Globalists or Deep State or Illuminati.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:14 am to LSUAngelHere1
If Biden did not personally sign off on these pardons and had no idea they were happening, that is a serious problem. The president is supposed to be the one making these decisions, not some staffer with an autopen. If this is true, it makes you wonder what else is being handled without his knowledge.
One thing to consider is that presidents have used autopens before, but it has always been understood that they approved what was being signed. If Biden was completely unaware, that changes everything. It would mean someone else is running the show, which is not how this is supposed to work.
No matter how you look at it, if the president did not approve the pardons, they should not count. It is one thing to delegate tasks, but signing away legal consequences for people without even knowing about it is another level of incompetence.
One thing to consider is that presidents have used autopens before, but it has always been understood that they approved what was being signed. If Biden was completely unaware, that changes everything. It would mean someone else is running the show, which is not how this is supposed to work.
No matter how you look at it, if the president did not approve the pardons, they should not count. It is one thing to delegate tasks, but signing away legal consequences for people without even knowing about it is another level of incompetence.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:14 am to Rebel
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Which part of The Constitution says it’s illegal to commit murder?
Not a valid comparison. Murder isn't a constitutional issue it's a police power reserved to the states via the 10A.
If you want to get funky, it's also allegedly an interstate commerce issue.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:15 am to northshorebamaman
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presidents have 'signed' with them since Jefferson.
Except for being totally different, it's exactly the same. Sure.
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