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re: Trump declares Biden’s pardons as VOID bc they were done by autopen
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
I do, and I also realize that the use of AutoPen is not now, nor has it ever been the point of contention in this matter, but your strawman attempt will be entered into the box score.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:33 am to Rebel
Libs like this frick will argue that the constitution couldn't possibly have anticipated modern weapons wrt the 2a, but some staffer auto-penning pardons while Biden snores on vacation is "clearly constitutional".
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:34 am to GumboPot
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Of course the courts will rule that the auto pen is valid but in the meantime making them fight will be fun.
This will all boil down to a giant waste of taxpayer money.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:34 am to Rebel
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Which part of The Constitution says it’s illegal to commit murder?
Although many arguments could be made about this, it is not specifically enumerated.
The President's pardon power is.
Which was the exact point.
I'd love for Biden's pardons to be null and void but the Constitution gives the President extremely broad pardon powers and the Sp Crt has ruled them virtually unlimited
The AutoPen part is essentially irrelevant to me.
Now, whether Biden had any cognizance or knowledge of them is another argument (and Trump does acknowledge this)
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:34 am to VoxDawg
When Trump gets serious about cutting funding, things will start happening. Until then, its nothing but drama.
I'll be his biggest fan if he can figure out how to fix the modern Obama/Trump/Biden economy.
I'll be his biggest fan if he can figure out how to fix the modern Obama/Trump/Biden economy.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:35 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:correct on both counts.
being present as a requirement is a shaky argument, but direct consent of the POTUS is pretty damned clear.
The problem is proving that he did not authorize the autopen signatures.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:37 am to LSUAngelHere1
Well, not just because of Auto-pen, but because Biden was mentally unaware of these pardons and has said so, by saying "I don't know about that" one time when asked a question about one of the pardons.
Plus, he waited too late, the DOJ has to follow through when pardons are left this late, and the DOJ will not follow through.
Plus, he waited too late, the DOJ has to follow through when pardons are left this late, and the DOJ will not follow through.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'll be his biggest fan if he can figure out how to fix the modern Obama/Trump/Biden economy.
Buckle up, in that case. You're going to love where this ends up going, if the above is true.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:39 am to POTUS2024
quote:Pick the person you see as the "worst bad actor," and pursue that indictment.
If Trump wants to test this theory, he's going to have to prosecute those who he accuses of crimes that would have fallen under the pardons.quote:
Yes, and I hope he does.
Motion to Dismiss (premised upon the pardon) will be filed immediately.
Let's get this show started.
But Trump won't do that, because he is not a complete idiot and has a few competent advisors (assuming that he hasn't already alienated the competent people again this term). He will just continue to milk the fawning adoration of his fanboys, while actually DOING nothing.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:39 am to VoxDawg
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. You're going to love where this ends up going
Its headed precisely where I thought. Kick the can down the road until it all breaks down.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:41 am to LSUAngelHere1
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The autopen—a machine that replicates a person’s signature—has been used by presidents for routine correspondence, like letters or photos, since at least the mid-20th century. Dwight Eisenhower reportedly used it, and its use expanded under later administrations. However, for official legal documents, especially those with constitutional weight like pardons, a manual signature is the norm to ensure authenticity and intent. The Department of Justice’s Office of the Pardon Attorney, which processes pardon requests, submits final warrants to the president for signature, and these are traditionally signed by hand.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:42 am to cajunangelle
quote:FFS, Grassley, the judges are NOT "deciding policy."
Another day, another judge unilaterally deciding policy for the whole country.
They are simply telling POTUS that he is required to follow the law, when HE "decides policy."
The the idiot and ignorant Populists will eat what you are feeding them ... with a spoon ... and ask for more.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:42 am to LSUAngelHere1
You're going to have to prove Biden did not know about them.
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:44 am to VoxDawg
I really hope he is going after 2020. I have not seen anything on it.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
This "issue" is actually old news. Mike Johnson brought it up several weeks ago, but in the context of the pardons possibly being illegal. A follow up claimed that there is some "directive" that says there are certain situations where only a "wet" pen can be used , certain situations where auto pens are OK. But there was a clear line where a wet pen HAS to be used & pardons are among those situations where a wet pen has to be used. It came to Johnson's attention when he was talking to biden about some E,O. that were hurting his constituency & biden said he never signed any such E.O. Johnson showed him a printout of the E.O. & biden again denied signing such .Johnson said he left that meeting "horrified & angry" over who was actually running the country. One signing came when biden was in an airplane flying to a conference in Europe. As for POTUS wasting time, he puts in more working time than any POTUS in decades; many of his tweets come after midnite
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Trump tweets are the bread and circuses of the modern age.quote:All the while the nations taxpayers are being fleeced.
He's not going to stop at simply nullifying these EO's and pardons because Biden was unaware of what was being signed in his name.
This is just chasing ghosts and will gain you nothing. Find whats inportant, chase that.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:49 am to BigGreenTiger
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This will all boil down to a giant waste of taxpayer money.
Like Democrats trying to block criminals from being removed from the US?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:49 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:The latest stupid-arse catchphrase.
This is the hill (designated "enemy") wants to die on.
No one is dying on any hills.
We simply tell you when you are wrong ... which happens with great regularity.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:52 am to RCDfan1950
quote:Not sure WTF this is even trying to say.quote:At the very least, prosecutions will drag this into the evidentiary process and force the MSM to cover it.
Trump declares Biden’s pardons as VOID bc they were done by autopen
About 14 nanoseconds after Trump seeks indictment of a pardoned individual, the Motion to Dismiss will be filed in response.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:53 am to AggieHank86
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FFS, Grassley, the judges are NOT "deciding policy."
They are simply telling POTUS that he is required to follow the law, when HE "decides policy."
The the idiot and ignorant Populists will eat what you are feeding them ... with a spoon ... and ask for more.
Obama signed the Patriot Act extension while not in the country with an auto pen.
It was contested.
But since Obama wanted it signed, they let it go.
So it's not unheard of people questioning the use of an auto pen.
Oh and thanks to dumb fricks like you, we have the patriot act.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 9:54 am
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