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re: Trump comes out strongly against port automation
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:46 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:46 am to Street Hawk
I disagree with Trump on this.
I dont want fully automated. But surely you can automate some tasks and have the human operators present as well. Increase efficiency, not necessarily reduce costs.
But if this is what I have to put up with to get everything else he brings to the table this time around, then so be it.
I dont want fully automated. But surely you can automate some tasks and have the human operators present as well. Increase efficiency, not necessarily reduce costs.
But if this is what I have to put up with to get everything else he brings to the table this time around, then so be it.
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:49 am to Street Hawk
Wow.
The swamp is very influential.
Automation lowers the cost of goods. It makes business more profitable by lowering the cost of labor. It’s what most conservatives want. Typically democrats are on the side of the worker and republicans are on the side of the employer. But not trump.
Trump’s showing his populist side here. “Fighting for the working man” great politicall slogan.
Automation has been happening for many decades. We don’t have mules carrying sacks of rice anymore because we have fork lifts. We have giant cranes that run on computers instead of guys pulling ropes through pulleys. We have containers holding supplies on ships the size of a small town. Automation doesn’t protest, or picket for higher wages and more benefits.
Business benefits financially from these advancements and consumers get lower prices and more efficient movement of goods.
Trump is showing why the swamp has been winning for a long long time.
The swamp is very influential.
Automation lowers the cost of goods. It makes business more profitable by lowering the cost of labor. It’s what most conservatives want. Typically democrats are on the side of the worker and republicans are on the side of the employer. But not trump.
Trump’s showing his populist side here. “Fighting for the working man” great politicall slogan.
Automation has been happening for many decades. We don’t have mules carrying sacks of rice anymore because we have fork lifts. We have giant cranes that run on computers instead of guys pulling ropes through pulleys. We have containers holding supplies on ships the size of a small town. Automation doesn’t protest, or picket for higher wages and more benefits.
Business benefits financially from these advancements and consumers get lower prices and more efficient movement of goods.
Trump is showing why the swamp has been winning for a long long time.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 6:56 am
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:49 am to Knight of Old
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And who wants a bunch of Chinese tech automating our ports anyway?
Chinese tech? Like Allen Bradley ContrlLogix?
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 6:51 am
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:51 am to Street Hawk
I did not read that as “comes out strongly against automation.”
I read a couple of times “I’d rather they hire hardworking men and women.”
Seems like he prefers the jobs stay with people. Oh no!
I read a couple of times “I’d rather they hire hardworking men and women.”
Seems like he prefers the jobs stay with people. Oh no!
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:52 am to TigerFanatic99
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Being a roadblock to automation and the advance of technology is the wrong side of history. Typical fricking 80 year old politician bullshite.
Replacing humanity with machines is more so, I’d argue.
We’ve seen the consequences of this wholesale abandon to greed and it isn’t going well. It will end in disaster if some balance isn’t introduced.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:52 am to uziyourillusion
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And why do they deserve any more protection from automation than the millions who have already lost their factory jobs to it, or the millions on the chopping block to AI?
I wanted to grow up to be an auto body panel welder but I can't because it's automated now. I had to find something else to do.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 6:54 am
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:53 am to Street Hawk
This can’t surprise anyone can it? Trump is a protectionist.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:54 am to Street Hawk
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Trump comes out strongly against port automation
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:55 am to ibldprplgld
quote:I get it, but the position he is taking has nothing to do with performance and efficiency. It’s about human jobs, workers, income and more than likely staking a position to slow or limit automation that puts people out of work.
Foreign ports in Europe and Asia have embraced automation and their efficiency KPIs blow US port KPIs out of the water.
I have never been pro union, but do recognize that the goal can’t be to ultimately put everyone out of work as a result of AI.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:56 am to Street Hawk
Based.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:57 am to AUCom96
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Replacing humanity with machines is more so, I’d argue.
Everyone else will do it and we will fall behind. Just like the auto industry.
Combined with tariffs, its about to get really expensive in this country.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:00 am to weptiger
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but the position he is taking has nothing to do with performance and efficiency
Then its wrong.
Everyone knows this, and yall used to believe it.
Y'all dont have to accept every crackpot ideal Trump throws out.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:01 am to stuntman
You guys are just vying for your own destruction. Where do you believe the jobs will go once everything is automated?
You’ll have the Uber rich that own the machines and an outdated workforce begging for UBI, which I strongly oppose.
You’ll have the Uber rich that own the machines and an outdated workforce begging for UBI, which I strongly oppose.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:02 am to AUCom96
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We’ve seen the consequences of this wholesale abandon to greed and it isn’t going well. It will end in disaster if some balance isn’t introduced.
I don't disagree with this. The answer is vocational support for displaced workers though, not luddite attitudes toward tech.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:03 am to uziyourillusion
Because they have more leverage and the very foundation of our economy relies on their workforce.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:03 am to Sizzle_DAWG
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You guys are just vying for your own destruction.
Mechanizing dock work isnt causing any destruction.
I work at a dock, though its primarily passengers and vehicles. Everything we do can be automated, and should be automated.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 7:04 am
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:04 am to SlidellCajun
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Trump’s showing his populist side here. “Fighting for the working man” great politicall slogan.
This is what won him the election while the democrats were fighting for reproductive rights.
What should his strategy have been? frick the workers?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:04 am to stuntman
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Why in the hell should a president be able to decide if ports can be automated or not?
Because he's studied it and knows "everything there is to know about it."
Duh.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:05 am to TigerFanatic99
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The answer is vocational support for displaced workers though, not luddite attitudes toward tech.
Correct.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
You’re not seeing the big picture. If an essential job like that is automated, eventually everything, including menial sectors, will be as well.
Where will people get gainful employment once that happens?
Where will people get gainful employment once that happens?
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 7:06 am
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