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re: Trump appoints leading vaccine skeptic as head of vaccine safety panel

Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:36 am to
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:36 am to
Thats what government should be. We should have skeptics in every branch of government especially in ones where taxpayer money is spent and injections are forced apon the citizens
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:58 am to
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One of my friends had to opt her children out of some (not all) vaccines due to a family history of autoimmune disorders.


Which is perfectly fine. When you're medically contraindicated, then we rely upon herd immunity to protect you from infection.

It's choosing not to vaccinate for no reason other than unfounded fear which causes outbreaks like ones we've seen in California and are currently seeing in Colorado.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:00 am to
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or this reason the US established the NVIC – National Vaccine Injury Compensation program.


The catch to that is you can't sue for damages any company that makes vaccines...
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:00 am to
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We should have skeptics in every branch of government especially in ones where taxpayer money is spent and injections are forced apon the citizens

But that's not one we have here. We pretty much have someone with the same views on autism and vaccines as Jenny McCarthy
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:01 am to
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The catch to that is you can't sue for damages any company that makes vaccines...


Because otherwise no company would want to make them, especially in the age of Jenny McCarthy killing children.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:02 am to
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Because otherwise no company would want to make them, especially in the age of Jenny McCarthy killing children.


That is a ridiculous statement, what about all the other medicines? Why would anyone make anything then? McDonald's got sued for someone spilling coffee on themselves...
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 10:03 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:12 am to
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That is a ridiculous statement, what about all the other medicines?
It's actually a major reason medicines here cost 2-10X or more what they cost in Europe.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:14 am to
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McDonald's got sued for someone spilling coffee on themselves...
Yes. And they lost because the coffee was well above maximum temperature specifications. They didn't lose because someone just spilled normal hot coffee.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39872 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:18 am to
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McDonald's got sued for someone spilling coffee on themselves...
That old woman's life was ruined and McDonald's was in the wrong. They ultimately lost.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 10:32 am
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:24 am to
I don't know who Jenny McCartney is and im not well versed on vaccines. Im perfectly fine with skeptics in government however in most degrees
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:30 am to
I think that's because of our ridiculous health insurance setup more so but I won't say that that doesn't contribute.

Further, vaccines cause the gay

Gian Paolo Vanoli, a 70-year-old scientist

"The vaccine is introduced into the child, the child then grows and tries to find its own personality, and if this is inhibited by mercury or other substances present in the vaccine which enter the brain, the child becomes gay. The problem will especially be present in the next generations, because when gays have children, the children will carry along with them the DNA of their parent’s illness. Because homosexuality is a disease, even though the WHO has decided that it is not. Who cares! The reality is that it is so. Each vaccination produces homosexuality, because it prevents the formation of one’s personality. It is a microform of autism, if you will. You will see how many gays there will be in the next generation, it will be a disaster."

That was just too good to not post
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:34 am to
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And they lost because the coffee was well above maximum temperature specifications.


Boo hoo
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:36 am to
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they lost because the coffee was well above maximum temperature specifications
NO!

They lost because they were exposed to the most malignant, sleazy, inefficient, and expensive tort system in the history of the world.

The lady squeezed a disposable coffee cup between her legs, popped the top off of it and the cup collapsed. Nowhere else in the world would she receive a multimillion dollar settlement for what amounted to her own stupidity.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:41 am to
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That old woman's life was ruined


She received nearly $3 million dollars (nearly a million of which was inherited by her relatives), lived another 12 years to the age of 92 and contrary to claims made by her daughter she only required in home nursing the last three years of her life.

Boo. Hoo.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:44 am to
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They didn't lose because someone just spilled normal hot coffee.
Brew some "normal hot coffee" in a normal coffee maker in your normal house. Pour it into your lap. You will sustain the exact same injury the woman did.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:47 am to
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Brew some "normal hot coffee" in a normal coffee maker in your normal house. Pour it into your lap. You will sustain the exact same injury the woman did.
I was just saying that the had their coffee at a far higher temperature than other establishments and had a history of causing burns. I think the amount was ridiculous, but I could see them having to pay for the hospital bills.

She asked for $20,000 initially anyways.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 10:50 am
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:47 am to
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That is a ridiculous statement, what about all the other medicines?


Vaccines are afforded a slightly unique status because of both their importance and because of their process.

Vaccines only work when you intentionally disturb the immune system. Usually, (99.99%) of the time, that's not a problem. In some people (because the human body and specifically the immune system is very complex), this can cause adverse reactions. Some of these reactions are minor, some are severe, most are unpredictable.

But it's in the interest of the population (and individuals) to have vaccination rates as high as possible. To that end, Congress didn't want a scare that may or may not be related to vaccines to scare drug companies from even attempting to make them - because there may come a day when we need as much capacity as we can find. Hence, in the 80s the companies were shielded from the any adverse effects of vaccines.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:48 am to
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don't know who Jenny McCartney is and im not well versed on vaccines.


Please learn the difference between skepticism and outright denial.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
80913 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:11 am to
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"The vaccine is introduced into the child, the child then grows and tries to find its own personality, and if this is inhibited by mercury or other substances present in the vaccine which enter the brain, the child becomes gay. The problem will especially be present in the next generations, because when gays have children, the children will carry along with them the DNA of their parent’s illness. Because homosexuality is a disease, even though the WHO has decided that it is not. Who cares! The reality is that it is so. Each vaccination produces homosexuality, because it prevents the formation of one’s personality. It is a microform of autism, if you will. You will see how many gays there will be in the next generation, it will be a disaster."


Wow.

I learned in ninth grade biology that inheritance of acquired traits doesn't happen.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39872 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:59 am to
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NO!

They lost because they were exposed to the most malignant, sleazy, inefficient, and expensive tort system in the history of the world.

The lady squeezed a disposable coffee cup between her legs, popped the top off of it and the cup collapsed. Nowhere else in the world would she receive a multimillion dollar settlement for what amounted to her own stupidity.
I thought this for years. But, sorry, it just does not comport with the facts of the case. You should try to read more about it to see if it would open your mind at all. The coffee was near-boiling (I believe something like 50 degrees hotter than industry standard) and the elderly lady was badly disfigured (literal 3rd degree burns) and never recovered fully. McDonalds refused extremely rational and modest settlement requests (I think the lady asked for $20K or something like that) and thus ended up with a fully jury outcome that was orders of magnitude more severe. I hate frivolous lawsuits as much as the next guy, but this is not a good example of one.
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