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re: Trey Gowdy says he was aware off this Obama information...
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:30 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:30 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Treason has a SOL? Who knew?
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:35 pm to troyt37
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All of them.
That's not how this works.
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Iran
What were the specifics acts re: Iran?
Who did they contact/communicate with? What was given?
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North Korea,
What were the specifics acts re: NK?
Who did they contact/communicate with? What was given?
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China
What were the specifics acts re: China?
Who did they contact/communicate with? What was given?
etc.
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Hamstringing the sitting president with known false allegations provides aid and comfort to any and all countries who want this country weakened.
That is not how this works.
That would make politicking against any President "treason", which is absurd.
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Philip Vigil and John Mitchell,
Here's a nice page discussing them and treason, generally.
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An “overt act” is an observable action that demonstrates someone’s participation in treason. It’s not enough for someone to merely hold a belief or speak in favor of an enemy. They must have committed an observable act showing evidence of treason.
The requirement for two witnesses serves as a check against false accusations. It requires corroboration for the alleged treasonous act. This is a uniquely high standard, as most other crimes do not require multiple witnesses for a single act.
Both witnesses must testify to having observed the same specific act of treason. So, two witnesses who observed two different acts wouldn’t suffice.
Those 2 individuals attacked federal officials to aid rebels. Doesn't apply to this scenario, as there was no rebellion or civil war, so no rebels or attacks on foreign officials.
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John Fries, the leader of Fries' Rebellion
Note: rebellion. See above
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Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island
State charge. Irrelevant to this discussion.
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Aaron Dwight Stevens took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
See above
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William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
War going on. Again, not responsive or relevant to this scenario.
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Walter Allen
State charge. See above
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:36 pm to Born to be a Tiger1
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How could they prosecute if the ones involved hid the documents that could implicate them committing a crime. Wouldn't that fall under a new SOL for obstruction?
The obstruction charge would be separate and also have a 5 year SOL, so it would have run in 2021 or 2022 also.
The purpose of a SOL is to force the government to prosecute within a set amount of time.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:37 pm to Fun Bunch
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Well then is what Obama did an "official act" under the auspices of the Constitution?
In what was is the head of the Intelligence agencies and military engaging in intelligence analysis and strategy not a core executive function?
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:41 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Yes, Devin Nunes walked up the Hill and gave the information personally to Donald Trump. That’s when he learned it was a hoax
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It matters a lot for the conspiracy you're creating.
Treason applies to anyone who owes allegiance to the United States, not just officers and officials. This includes American citizens, and even in some cases, foreign nationals who owe temporary allegiance to the country.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:52 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
the rooster head also said 10 years ago that no one would see justice as bad cops/agents isn't a crime.
I hate, hate, to agree with rooster head but he is correct Obama is untouchable.
I hate, hate, to agree with rooster head but he is correct Obama is untouchable.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In what was is the head of the Intelligence agencies and military engaging in intelligence analysis and strategy not a core executive function?
In the way that they told him that there was no Russian collusion, and the Russians had no effect on the American election, but he goes back and orders a new intelligence assessment.
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To that end, several officials — including CIA Director John Brennan, Secretary of State John Kerry, and FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe — met at the White House on Dec. 9, 2016, when President Barack Obama began “tasking” each to look into “Russia Election Meddling.”
The 44th president ordered a new intelligence assessment from the CIA, FBI, NSA and DHS, with comprehensive information about Russia’s activities related to the US presidential race by early January, which ended up including the since-debunked dossier produced by MI6 spy Christopher Steele.
So the IC tells Obama there's nothing there, but he goes back and tells them to dig further, until they come up with Hillary and the DNC's utter fairytale. Then their willing accomplices in the propaganda media, start droning about the Russians hacking the election, and collusion, with Obama cheering it on, when he knows it is all bullshite.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:56 pm to BurlesonCountyAg
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Treason applies to anyone who owes allegiance to the United States, not just officers and officials. This includes American citizens, and even in some cases, foreign nationals who owe temporary allegiance to the country.
That's not the issue with the treason charge
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:56 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
He's a coverup artist probably taking orders from Obama
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:57 pm to troyt37
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In the way that they told him that there was no Russian collusion, and the Russians had no effect on the American election, but he goes back and orders a new intelligence assessment.
That is non-responsive
We're talking about the role, not the underlying behavior.
He was acting as CIC and head of multiple agencies. All core executive functions in the Constitution. That makes him absolutely immune.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:12 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Trey Gowdy would do well to retire from public service and take on the role that was meant for him in this life. He should step in as South Carolina's live mascot at their games in Columbia. I don't think he'd even need a costume.
He has most certainly been a disappointment with all his wonderfully strong words and complete lack of meaningful action.
He has most certainly been a disappointment with all his wonderfully strong words and complete lack of meaningful action.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:14 pm to The Maj
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Obviously had the opportunity to do something about this and chose not to... He is as complicit as Brennan is... frick him...
Marco Rubio was the Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee when it put out its report. He had the information and he could have put it in the report
Tulsi Gabbard was the Vice Chair and Deborah Wasserman Schultz was the Chair of the Democratic National Committee and they both would have known everything leading up to and right after the election. Both were replaced(fired) after the 2016 election.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He was acting as CIC and head of multiple agencies. All core executive functions in the Constitution. That makes him absolutely immune.
So the fact that the IC’s 1/6 assessment which directly contradicts the Clapper’s 12/7 assessment, after Obama’s 12/9 tasking for a new assessment, doesn’t tell you that Obama tasked the IC to produce information that he knew was false?
The IC had been telling them for 6 months leading up to the election that Russia wasn’t influencing it. I specifically remember Obama himself talking about how secure our elections were.
Then Trump won. NOW he tasks the IC to produce an assessment that supports the narrative that Russia hacked the election and voila, an IC assessment comes out saying Russia influenced the election.
Marxist democrats and their propaganda media took care of the rest. All to take down an elected president. It’s treason. It’s a conspiracy to commit treason.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:21 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Yeah I don't get what everyone is so riled up about expecting some big thing to happen to Obama.
Someone tell me why the SC ruling on presidential acts so favored by Trump doesn't also apply to Obama?
Someone tell me why the SC ruling on presidential acts so favored by Trump doesn't also apply to Obama?
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:24 pm to atlgamecockman
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Someone tell me why the SC ruling on presidential acts so favored by Trump doesn't also apply to Obama?
Essentially what Gowdy said referencing the same ruling.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:34 pm to atlgamecockman
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Someone tell me why the SC ruling on presidential acts so favored by Trump doesn't also apply to Obama?
Because using government agencies to create lies to sabotage and destabilize the incoming president and therefore the entire country is treason, and therefore NOT an official act of a sitting president. People like SFP will die on a hill like this, until President Vance uses this very tactic to destroy the incoming Marxist democrat president. Then it will be a high crime, worthy of the hanging a conviction of treason proscribes.
Nothing will happen to Obama, the same way nothing happened to the Clintons, Clapper, Comey, Brennan, Strozk, Lerner, Holder, and a thousand other criminals from both parties. It’s just another bullet in the armory for those who recognize that some are in fact above the law, and we will only have justice in this country after we take it back from the tyrants.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:39 pm to troyt37
You sound like a legal genius bud
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:41 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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He said the time to do something about it was before the SOLs expired for the Brennan types. And he said Obama has immunity for any official acts he did as President.
Nothing will happen to Obama is his conclusion.
Spot on. And the political theater continues.
We're all a bunch of gullible rubes to these people.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:41 pm to troyt37
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So the fact that the IC’s 1/6 assessment which directly contradicts the Clapper’s 12/7 assessment, after Obama’s 12/9 tasking for a new assessment, doesn’t tell you that Obama tasked the IC to produce information that he knew was false?
What the hell does this have to do with his Constitutional role and the absolute immunity that attaches?
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