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re: Transgenders and "Mental Illness"
Posted on 7/27/17 at 7:53 pm to FearTheFish
Posted on 7/27/17 at 7:53 pm to FearTheFish
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Correlation vs. causation.
Does transgenderism cause one to commit suicide, or do outside factors influence the decision to commit suicide?
Less than 4% of the general population attempts suicide.
Does non-transgenderism cause those 4% to attempt suicide or do outside factors influence their decision? Of course outside factors influence the decision, but even with consideration of "causation vs correlation" it appears that trans population seems >10x more influenced by said factors.
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 7:54 pm to _Hurricane_
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Wanting to change your sex is the definition of "against nature" you idiot.
No it isn't, dumbfrick.
However, your comment shows pretty much how fricking stupid you are.
Have ever heard of Science? Medicine? No, probably not.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 7:56 pm to FearTheFish
I don't see what morality has to do with any of this.
There are things that are part of reality, ingrained in the nature of this universe in which we live. Your sex chromosomes are part of this reality. We cannot change them, they just are: from the day you were born until the day you die.
If your brain is telling you that your identity is something other than what the biological reality is, that's some form of a delusion (a break from the belief of what reality is versus what reality actually is). This delusion is what I'd call a mental disorder.
There are things that are part of reality, ingrained in the nature of this universe in which we live. Your sex chromosomes are part of this reality. We cannot change them, they just are: from the day you were born until the day you die.
If your brain is telling you that your identity is something other than what the biological reality is, that's some form of a delusion (a break from the belief of what reality is versus what reality actually is). This delusion is what I'd call a mental disorder.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 7:58 pm to FearTheFish
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I've seen a lot on this Board that folks associate transgenderism with "mental illness". Curious: do these same folks also still believe schizophrenia is demonic possession and infertility is the result of moral turpitude?
"Argument via Assertion" fallacy.
Make your case that .."these same folks still believe schizophrenia is demonic possession and infertility is the result of moral turpitude"...is actually a demographic group.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:01 pm to FearTheFish
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Does transgenderism cause one to commit suicide, or do outside factors influence the decision to commit suicide?
Doesn't matter. They shouldn't be in the military and Trump is correct in getting them out.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:02 pm to FearTheFish
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I've seen a lot on this Board that folks associate transgenderism with "mental illness".
Curious: do these same folks also still believe schizophrenia is demonic possession and infertility is the result of moral turpitude?
Wow, are you a junior in HS? This sounds remarkably like logic from my high school days.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:03 pm to FearTheFish
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I've seen a lot on this Board that folks associate transgenderism with "mental illness".
Curious: do these same folks also still believe schizophrenia is demonic possession and infertility is the result of moral turpitude?
Wow, are you a junior in HS? This sounds remarkably like logic from my high school days.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:05 pm to FearTheFish
You are absolutely correct OP!
Science has very little understanding of how the chemical and physical make up of the brain corresponds to expressed predilections and choices.
A person can have genitalia of one sex but can have the natural expressed attractions to the other sex.
Even if the social stigmas were removed, people might still want to undergo sex changes because it feels right to them.
Science has very little understanding of how the chemical and physical make up of the brain corresponds to expressed predilections and choices.
A person can have genitalia of one sex but can have the natural expressed attractions to the other sex.
Even if the social stigmas were removed, people might still want to undergo sex changes because it feels right to them.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:10 pm to FearTheFish
Regarding your points about transgender suicide and so forth, I'd suggest that the suicide rate is not a reflection of citizens who support the military's transgender ban like myself, but their own deep and profound unhappiness and discontentment with their own nature. I hope they get help, but feeding into the delusion will not make them happier. It will only send them deeper into the delusion that created the unhappiness in the first place.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:11 pm to St James Infirmary
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Science has very little understanding of how the chemical and physical make up of the brain corresponds to expressed predilections and choices.
Gender Dysphoria is a known mental deviation recognized in the DSM-5 and treated all over the world by psychiatrists and psychologists. It's not a new thing.
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A person can have genitalia of one sex but can have the natural expressed attractions to the other sex
Yeah, that's called homosexuality and it's not what we're discussing.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:13 pm to FearTheFish
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FearTheFish
sure, now let me ask you something.
If a person held up a sign saying "I was born with 2 arms, but feel like i should have been born with one" and they went to the doctor to have one arm removed, would you say they are mentally ill? Of course you would.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:16 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Rationalizing cutting of ones genitalia should be viewed as what, in your mind? Heroic? Frankly, if you're in favor of this and not in favor of the Muslim practice of mutilation, you're a bigot, IMO.
If a woman slices open her breasts and puts plastic in them with implants...is that not mutilation and a mental illness?
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:21 pm to mahdragonz
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If a woman slices open her breasts and puts plastic in them with implants...is that not mutilation and a mental illness?
Maybe mild narcissism but not something severe. If she put plastic in her breast and then asserted she was coke bottle, then we'd have a problem.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:22 pm to Antonio Moss
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Gender Dysphoria is a known mental deviation recognized in the DSM-5 and treated all over the world by psychiatrists and psychologists. It's not a new thing.
The natural deviation GD, is not defined as a mental illness nor is it treated as such medically.
There are several hospitals in the US, including one of the best hospitals on the planet, Johns Hopkins, which performs sexual reassignment surgery.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:23 pm to FearTheFish
I think transgenderism is more a mental disorder than illness. I don't see how any trans person can not say in the least that it is a mental disorder. Being gay is simply having a preference for being with the same sex, while being transgendered is a total identity crisis where you're born in the wrong body. Not many gay people wish they were born as the opposite sex, and I think from their perspective it's just societal that gives them high anxiety.
Being trans though, I think it is overdiagnosed and it ruins life. Worst case scenario if you are confused you come out as gay, have gay sex, and hate it, then you just move a thousand miles away and start over fresh. If you decide you're not trans and you go through with it, then your body is totally mutilated, you are sterile, and you're fricked for life. Actually transitioning should be a last resort after years of therapy and talking with multiple doctors. It shouldn't happen before 21 and be completely illegal before 18.
Instead the parents of Jazz Jennings at the age of fricking 5 drag their kid to be interviewed by Barbara fricking Walters as soon as the kid announces he's a girl. And now it's seeming like Jazz thanks to being given hormones at an early age is now ineligible for the surgery. If Jazz Jennings takes her life or attempts it, then we should call for the parents' and their Josef Mengele of a doctor's heads. If Jazz dies at her own hands, it is totally on the parents and the doctor.
Being trans though, I think it is overdiagnosed and it ruins life. Worst case scenario if you are confused you come out as gay, have gay sex, and hate it, then you just move a thousand miles away and start over fresh. If you decide you're not trans and you go through with it, then your body is totally mutilated, you are sterile, and you're fricked for life. Actually transitioning should be a last resort after years of therapy and talking with multiple doctors. It shouldn't happen before 21 and be completely illegal before 18.
Instead the parents of Jazz Jennings at the age of fricking 5 drag their kid to be interviewed by Barbara fricking Walters as soon as the kid announces he's a girl. And now it's seeming like Jazz thanks to being given hormones at an early age is now ineligible for the surgery. If Jazz Jennings takes her life or attempts it, then we should call for the parents' and their Josef Mengele of a doctor's heads. If Jazz dies at her own hands, it is totally on the parents and the doctor.
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:25 pm to FearTheFish
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I've seen a lot on this Board that folks associate transgenderism with "mental illness".
Curious: do these same folks also still believe schizophrenia is demonic possession and infertility is the result of moral turpitude?
ETA: my point being, just because a person doesn't understand something does not mean that it's "evil", "bad", or "against nature" - it just means the person does not understand something.
If we're going down this road we have to include pedophiles, criminally insane, sadists, etc. thays just born that way, no fault of their own.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:27 pm to FearTheFish
ITs 100% mental illness
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:28 pm to FearTheFish
quote:no but I think it's a mental illnesses just like thinking you are a chick despite your big ol dick, huge Adams apple, and banana hands. Transgenderism is a mental illnesses 100%. And apparently the treatment is to mutilate and sterilize yourself and then require the entire world to play along with your delusion. Imagine if that's how we treated schizophrenics. You wanna cut your arm of and pretend you are Lord Nelson, well everybody better speak with a Georgian era British accent or you're a bigot
Curious: do these same folks also still believe schizophrenia is demonic possession
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:30 pm to St James Infirmary
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The natural deviation GD, is not defined as a mental illness nor is it treated as such medically.
Not true. Gender Dysphoria is categorized into distressed (majority) and non-distressed (minority). The former is medically treated; the latter may not be.
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There are several hospitals in the US, including one of the best hospitals on the planet, Johns Hopkins, which performs sexual reassignment surgery.
They also treat schizophrenia
Posted on 7/27/17 at 8:31 pm to mahdragonz
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If a woman slices open her breasts and puts plastic in them with implants...is that not mutilation and a mental illness?
Actually the desire to have plastic surgery has been linked to mental illness
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