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re: "Too Big to Rig" folks - are you accounting for electronic voting with no paper trail?
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:32 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:32 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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In my county the machine fills in a ballot. And that paper ballot enters into the counting machine and there is a paper record. But if we want to go down the paranoia rathole, how do I know what the paper ballot really has on it? I'll look at it carefully on Monday and let you know. VOTE EARLY!
Same as my county last election as well. But who knows that the gobbledegook means? I can't read QR codes. It's not like it says "R" or "D" or "Trump" or "Kamala". When I run it through the tabulator I don't see a digital display that rolls the count up one for the person I voted for. It's meaningless.
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Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:35 am to Smeg
That's why I like our system in Denton County TX.
Photo ID required to cast a ballot (except for provisional ones)
Paper ballots used (you fill in the box for each candidate, which can cause hand cramping since our ballots are quite long and we no longer have straight-ticket voting in TX). So, no matter what the machine says, we have the actual ballots as backup.
Even so, in the 2020 election we had 74.41% voter turnout (most of which was early voting).
Photo ID required to cast a ballot (except for provisional ones)
Paper ballots used (you fill in the box for each candidate, which can cause hand cramping since our ballots are quite long and we no longer have straight-ticket voting in TX). So, no matter what the machine says, we have the actual ballots as backup.
Even so, in the 2020 election we had 74.41% voter turnout (most of which was early voting).
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:42 am to TrueTiger
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Election systems without transparency or are not auditable are not credible.
I agree. That's why I like our system which uses paper ballots to complete.
I would be OK with having a machine print out a piece of paper with how you voted, PROVIDED that you can look at the paper, and either deposit it in the ballot box (thus confirming that's how you voted), or register a complaint that it didn't do it right.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:51 am to Quidam65
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Photo ID required to cast a ballot (except for provisional ones)
Paper ballots used (you fill in the box for each candidate, which can cause hand cramping since our ballots are quite long and we no longer have straight-ticket voting in TX). So, no matter what the machine says, we have the actual ballots as backup.
That is how it should be done everywhere!
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:00 am to Quidam65
At the very least the system should be able to be spot audited by random selection.
For example. Run a set of 100 ballots through the machine and get a read out of its results. Take the same 100 ballots to a table and hand count them to see if they match.
Poll watchers of each party should get a limited number test calls at any time of their choosing.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:05 am to TigerAxeOK
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They are going to steal this election. You're not a pussy for believing it. Very little was changed since 2020 to prevent them from doing it again.
Here's the thing, if Trump wins then the entire other side will honestly think the exact same thing
That's what happens with the 2 ideological sides get so far away from each other. For 99.9% of the posters on this board, they can't even fathom how someone would vote for a Democrat. D are evil, corrupt, and threaten the very fabric of the country. And if the D wins, it must have been stolen.
Now flip Trump/Harris in the above sentence, and it's exactly opposite on DU or Reddit. They can't fathom someone voting for Trump
If everyone just shouts "They stole it!!" when their candidate loses, then it's unlikely that any deficiencies of the candidates are addressed and there's no incentive of the parties to run better candidates
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:30 am to TrueTiger
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Election systems without transparency or are not auditable are not credible.
Absolutely. At the very least, we can't know whether there was fraud or not.
Here's an interesting video surprisingly still up on YouTube showing how easy it is to manipulate Dominion:
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Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:38 am to Smeg
I really hope Elon’s tech team and ex military tech teams are on this. Trump can put together a team that can catch this stuff. Erik Prince could manage it. I really hope this is happening and we just don’t know it.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:41 am to TrueTiger
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At the very least the system should be able to be spot audited by random selection.
Hmmmmm...I wonder why that's not done?
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:48 am to Smeg
We can only control what we can control. For many of us, that’s only showing up to vote and encouraging others to do the same.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:00 pm to Smeg
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Title says it all. Just remember that electronic voting machines with no paper trail are dubious. How do you really know that your Trump vote actually gets counted for Trump? Because you pulled the lever? How do you know the machine didn't secretly "flip" your vote?
I remember info coming out on the Dominion voting system in 2021 that concerned me immensely. It seems that the standard process was that raw votes tabs were sent overseas via internet and analyzed, NORMALIZED, and totalled before being sent back to be reported out by the state.
You cannot normalize a vote count that can be decided by 1 vote.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:17 pm to Roughneck2020
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really hope Elon’s tech team and ex military tech teams are on this. Trump can put together a team that can catch this stuff. Erik Prince could manage it. I really hope this is happening and we just don’t know it.
What if they DO catch anything? The courts in the swing counties are controlled by Democrats or (in Maricopa County) never-Trump RINOs.
Based on what I can see, the Republican "stop the steal" efforts will be the Maginot Line to the Democrat's Blitzkrieg of cheating...bolstered by potentially thousands of newly-added illegal immigrant votes.
I hope I'm wrong.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:33 pm to OldManRiver
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Here's the thing, if Trump wins then the entire other side will honestly think the exact same thing
The difference is the intellectual dishonesty. The Democrats villify anyone who suggests that election results can be corrupted...despite their claims that Trump was an illegitimate president because the 2016 election was stolen. If Trump wins it WILL be humorous and disgusting for the Dems to THEN acknowledge (again) that the system is subject to fraud.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:46 pm to LSUbacchus81
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Logic ain't used around these parts baw. I was crucified yesterday for believing the election will be stolen. I even found out I'm a 'pussy' for believing they will do what they did in 2020.
With your logic, why vote?
Here is the thing, all you can do is vote and hope.
If you think there is no chance in winning why go waste time standing in line? Where is the logic in that?
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:50 pm to Smeg
Louisiana's elections cannot be audited because there is no paper trail, except for the "absentee" mail in ballots. Early voting and election day voting is done on computers made by a company (Dominion) which considers the source codes proprietary, so no election officials can prove that what is tapped by the voter on the front of the voting computer is the same as the tape which comes out the back of the computer. They can only match the number of signed in voters with the number of votes.
An Associated Press article on last year's Caddo sheriff race observed Louisiana's "touchscreen voting machines, which do not produce an auditable paper trail that experts say is critical to ensure results are accurate." AP Article
Also, a recent Legislative Auditor report observed that "Louisiana’s current in-person voting systems do not produce a voter-verified paper record, which prevents [Louisiana] from conducting post-election tabulation audits". La Audit Report
In short, we do not and cannot know if our votes in Louisiana are properly counted.
An Associated Press article on last year's Caddo sheriff race observed Louisiana's "touchscreen voting machines, which do not produce an auditable paper trail that experts say is critical to ensure results are accurate." AP Article
Also, a recent Legislative Auditor report observed that "Louisiana’s current in-person voting systems do not produce a voter-verified paper record, which prevents [Louisiana] from conducting post-election tabulation audits". La Audit Report
In short, we do not and cannot know if our votes in Louisiana are properly counted.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:50 pm to Smeg
Here in SC, you vote on a machine and it prints a paper ballot. You then run that through the tabulation machine. Definitely a paper trail. Not sure what other shitty state might be doing
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:54 pm to TigeeDaleC
Thx, Dale.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:56 pm to dgnx6
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Here is the thing, all you can do is vote and hope.
If you think there is no chance in winning why go waste time standing in line? Where is the logic in that?
I think you answered your own question. There is a very good chance they will attempt to steal the election. All I can do is vote and hope. My conscience will at least be clear - knowing I did my part by voting. I have no control if someone alters my vote. It gives me despair knowing that could very likely happen, but what can I do? I must accept reality they could steal it. It does no good to delude myself of that possibility.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:58 pm to GetmorewithLes
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It seems that the standard process was that raw votes tabs were sent overseas via internet and analyzed, NORMALIZED, and totalled before being sent back to be reported out by the state.
Serbia, specifically. (Mar 2024)
REVEALED: Dominion & Other Electronic Voting Machines' Key Components Made in China (May 2024)
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:38 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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we can't know whether there was fraud or not.
exactly, the system can't be fully tested by audit
When our election system declares a winner, we are literally taking that on faith.
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