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re: "Too Big to Rig" folks - are you accounting for electronic voting with no paper trail?

Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:38 am to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:38 am to
SFP, if you're saying we can't know whether or not the votes were accurately tabulated through third-party (Dominion, etc.) owned machines, I agree with you.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:39 am to
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SFP, if you're saying we can't know whether or not the votes were accurately tabulated through third-party (Dominion, etc.) owned machines, I agree with you.

I'm not, the CT is, but I'm glad we agree on how that CT works.
Posted by 1putt
Member since Sep 2024
998 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:40 am to
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There was a thorough audit showing massive, intentional errors with the Antrim County, Michigan Dominion voting systems. If there were an effective rebuttal, I have yet to see it. RT story (oh noes! RUSSIA, but regime media won't cover this): LINK / Instead of analysis, you just see conclusions ("Dominion is safe and reliable") without any facts supporting those conclusions. When people DO try to audit the system you get cases such as Tina Peters, the Colorado Clerk who was sentenced to NINE YEARS for trying to get to the truth. Whatever the result of the election on November 5 we have no way of knowing whether or not it reflects the will of the people. In a functioning constitutional republic, that SHOULD
be intolerable.


Spot on!

Posted by yakster
Member since Mar 2021
4103 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:40 am to
Bless your heart. Thinking that changing some voting rules are going to stop individuals sitting behind a computer from doing devious things.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:41 am to
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Bless your heart. Thinking that changing some voting rules are going to stop individuals sitting behind a computer from doing devious things.


Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:44 am to
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I'm not, the CT is, but I'm glad we agree on how that CT works.


Thanks, SFP. So, you think we CAN trust the accuracy of voting machines?

Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
15559 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:45 am to
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There is no gap that couldn't be rigged if you can just switch votes in a clandestine nature.

Sure there is. The election is won by electoral votes. The location of the cheating machines is absolutely critical. All the machines in California could flip every vote 100% for Kamala with zero Trump votes in the entire state, but that's not enough the win the election.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:49 am to
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So, you think we CAN trust the accuracy of voting machines?


This is my comment on that

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2024 will determine the validity of most, if not all, of the 2020 "voter fraud" CTs. If Trump wins, it will debunk them. If Trump loses, it will strengthen them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:50 am to
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The election is won by electoral votes. The location of the cheating machines is absolutely critical. All the machines in California


Why would "they" rely on these machines in California?
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8689 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:50 am to
Think about it.
Kamala primaried an opponent and won a Senate seat two years before she ran for POTUS, and later anointed VP.
Posted by au4you
Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
3173 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:53 am to
2024 will determine the validity of most, if not all, of the 2020 "voter fraud" CTs. If Trump wins, it will debunk them. If Trump loses, it will strengthen them. They’ll say there is fraud no matter what. It’s their playbook and it has worked.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:55 am to
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2024 will determine the validity of most, if not all, of the 2020 "voter fraud" CTs. If Trump wins, it will debunk them. If Trump loses, it will strengthen them.


Thanks for the response. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Irrespective of the outcome of this election, I don't think there was a sufficient examination of what happened in 2020 in the "swing counties." And, as long as we let Dominion decide our elections, we can never be sure of the accuracy of the vote counting.
Posted by cajuntiger1010
Member since Jan 2015
14446 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:55 am to
Yes and I believe 6pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:57 am to
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as long as we let Dominion decide our elections
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Irrespective of the outcome of this election


Bro.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:04 am to
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Bro.


No need to be condescending. The fact remains that there is no way to audit Dominion results in real time prior to certification. Any attempts after certification are attacked with the full force of the law (see Tina Peters).

For a 5-minute read on this, I highly recommend:
LINK
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 10:39 am
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24018 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:08 am to
In my county the machine fills in a ballot. And that paper ballot enters into the counting machine and there is a paper record. But if we want to go down the paranoia rathole, how do I know what the paper ballot really has on it? I'll look at it carefully on Monday and let you know. VOTE EARLY!
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
22200 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:14 am to
Quit yelling boomer.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38029 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:17 am to
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I was crucified yesterday for believing the election will be stolen. I even found out I'm a 'pussy' for believing they will do what they did in 2020.

They are going to steal this election. You're not a pussy for believing it. Very little was changed since 2020 to prevent them from doing it again.

You'll see the real pussies bleeding all over the board after it is stolen again and they can't do anything about it.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
15559 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:28 am to
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Why would "they" rely on these machines in California?

They wouldn't. I'm making the point that location matters. Which counties have the cheating machines matter. Not the capacity of the machines to cheat.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82413 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:31 am to

Election systems without transparency or are not auditable are not credible.

Anytime you have your ballot go into an electronic black box with no way to see what is going on in it. You don't have transparency.

Our election systems look impressive with all of their electronic wizardry but in reality they are a joke.
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