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re: Today Johnson Begins Working Under Massive Pressure From Schumer, McConnell, Jeffries, WH
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP, you’re perilously close to making sense.
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:22 pm to Richleau
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If the debate can be held on the merits and not with threats, I think Johnson will hold fast to his principles and not back down.
It would be nice to see more Republicans visibly and vocally letting the public know they are onboard with Johnson standing firm here. Instead, it seems like a lot of crickets.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:29 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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see more Republicans visibly and vocally letting the public know they are onboard with Johnson standing firm here.
Like who? Gaetz? MTG?
Trump does but who else moves the needle for Republicans?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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when you lose the argument
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whatever he feels in the moment, to him, is objective truth.
There it is…
And btw, thinking you are winning arguments merely because you have too much time on your hands and refuse to ever stfu, isn’t a great way to go through life either.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:31 pm to boosiebadazz
It sure as frick isn’t the ones supporting this arse bill.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Except the House controls the purse. Mike Johnson should tell the Dems that the house will write a clean bill that:
1) Gives some money to Ukraine but it must come out of current spending authorizations outside of the Pentagon and DHS.
2) Requires the cancellation and reversal of every Biden executive order concerning the US Border in 2021 or 2022.
1) Gives some money to Ukraine but it must come out of current spending authorizations outside of the Pentagon and DHS.
2) Requires the cancellation and reversal of every Biden executive order concerning the US Border in 2021 or 2022.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:38 pm to Swazla
No no no!!!!!!
Republican voters will hate a responsible solution to the issue that holds the WH accountable. They want Romneyesque yes men who cower in fear of Democrat demagoguery in the media.
-SFP
Republican voters will hate a responsible solution to the issue that holds the WH accountable. They want Romneyesque yes men who cower in fear of Democrat demagoguery in the media.
-SFP
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:44 pm to boosiebadazz
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Like who?
When congressional democrats want to push measures, you get scenes like this:
Here's what Republicans seem to do:
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:48 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m asking who do you think would stand behind Johnson at that podium and offer arguments against the bill that could or would justify it to the American people.
From the rough math, it looks like Johnson has a small but important group against the bill and that’s why he can’t accede to the larger caucus.
But who is that small group moves the needle?
Even Hawley and Cruz and Cotton in the Senate who are usually fine with tacking right don’t seem to be too vocal in their opposition. Maybe Rand Paul?
From the rough math, it looks like Johnson has a small but important group against the bill and that’s why he can’t accede to the larger caucus.
But who is that small group moves the needle?
Even Hawley and Cruz and Cotton in the Senate who are usually fine with tacking right don’t seem to be too vocal in their opposition. Maybe Rand Paul?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:50 pm to Swazla
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Mike Johnson should tell the Dems that the house will write a clean bill that:
1) Gives some money to Ukraine but it must come out of current spending authorizations outside of the Pentagon and DHS.
2) Requires the cancellation and reversal of every Biden executive order concerning the US Border in 2021 or 2022.
Even if you could magically get the Senate to agree, Biden won't. So what are you accomplishing?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:50 pm to Vacherie Saint
If money were to go to Ukraine, it would be via a single appropriation with strings attached to monitor where the money is going, how it is spent, with measures to dictate its success or failure, and without adding any increase in spending at all. It will also require border security executive order removals and a call to work on a bipartisan border single appropriation bill. That would be where I would start and would not budge from that position if I were Johnson.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:50 pm to Warboo
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Jesus you are so out of touch with reality. HOLD THE GODDAMN LINE MR. SPEAKER.
While SloFloBro is really out of touch, he's right here. Republicans are walking on a tightrope in government. They are an inch away from being irrelevant.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:51 pm to boosiebadazz
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I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m asking who do you think would stand behind Johnson at that podium and offer arguments against the bill that could or would justify it to the American people.
I think a clear obvious visible display of Party unity says a lot.
The Republicans (in Washington) obviously don’t have it and it’s the biggest problem here.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:51 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Republican voters will hate a responsible solution to
A "solution"? Will Biden sign that bill into law?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's called leverage. Those who utilize it well can attain wondrous things. Johnson has all the leverage. He already wants to cut spending so shutting down the government isn't a problem for him. He already wants border security and he knows the quickest way to do that is the remove executive orders and allow the border patrol to do their jobs and deport illegal immigrants. He already wants single appropriation. It's a win-win for Johnson here and I doubt he will blink if/when the government shuts down.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:53 pm to Richleau
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Johnson has all the leverage
Based on what, exactly?
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and I doubt he will blink if/when the government shuts down.
I'll take that bet.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:54 pm to Richleau
I bet you he caves within a week.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:56 pm to Bunk Moreland
Depends on what he can get, but I highly doubt a guy like Johnson is going to shite the bed here. Dude is wired different and we are about to see a battle of the old guard vs. the new. If Johnson's house is in order, and I believe it is based on the crickets coming from the intelligence community, I think Johnson wins the day here.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:57 pm to TigerFanatic99
hes dead wrong.
If there were EVER a clear winning issue for Johnson, its immigration.
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Trump once offered democrats amnesty for 5MM to get that wall and where did it get him? No compromises until they enforce standing law.
If there were EVER a clear winning issue for Johnson, its immigration.
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A New Gallup poll finds a record-high number of Americans believe illegal immigration is a “critical threat” to the nation’s vital interests. Voters are clearly blaming President Joe Biden and his band of leftists for the invasion the nation has endured over the past three years.
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Trump once offered democrats amnesty for 5MM to get that wall and where did it get him? No compromises until they enforce standing law.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Mike Johnson should tell the Dems that the house will write a clean bill that:
1) Gives some money to Ukraine but it must come out of current spending authorizations outside of the Pentagon and DHS.
2) Requires the cancellation and reversal of every Biden executive order concerning the US Border in 2021 or 2022.
Even if you could magically get the Senate to agree, Biden won't. So what are you accomplishing?
So what are you accomplishing if you fold? It takes all 3 to pass for BOTH SIDES. The SOTH has the power here.
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