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re: To those who want to "do something" about gun deaths
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:10 am to Ag Zwin
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:10 am to Ag Zwin
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Why? The “probable cause” thing?
Simple.
Take the logic for DUI checkpoints. Mentally apply that logic in your head to other things you'd like to eliminate in the world.
See how hideous that application is.
Go back to DUI checkpoints and realize it's just as fricking hideous. It's your govt, using a scary thing, to justify randomly fricking with you...…..and saying completely retarded shite like, "well, driving isn't a right, it's a privilege".
I mean. Ferfrick's sake. EVERYTHING I choose to do on a daily basis can be categorized that way.
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:19 am to ShortyRob
Even more cynically, the DUI checkpoints are also fundraisers for the government for all sorts of non-DUI related crimes.
License plate expired? Donate to the government.
Headlight out? Donate to the government.
License plate expired? Donate to the government.
Headlight out? Donate to the government.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:21 am to ShortyRob
Fair enough. Where are you on “stop and frisk”?
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:26 am to Ag Zwin
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Fair enough. Where are you on “stop and frisk”?
Well, stop and frisk, while not a policy I like, at least claims to only allow it if there's "reasonable suspicion" the person is engaged in wrongdoing.
DUI checkpoints are the equivalent of "hey, cops can stop and frisk anyone on this particular sidewalk late at night because we know drug deals go down late at night".
Which is a hard "no" from me.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:29 am to the808bass
quote:Which is what all "random" govt checkpoints are destined to be.
Even more cynically, the DUI checkpoints are also fundraisers for the government for all sorts of non-DUI related crimes.
I wonder how many people know that the TSA basically NEVER catches someone who is a threat to transportation. Their two biggest areas of success are in drug confiscation and counterfeit money. Hell, those are really their two primary reasons for being at this point. The "because you might die in an explosion" part is just to make you let them do it.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:31 am to the808bass
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Even more cynically, the DUI checkpoints are also fundraisers for the government for all sorts of non-DUI related crimes. License plate expired? Donate to the government. Headlight out? Donate to the government.
I might...…….MIGHT find DUI checkpoints tolerable if they were ONLY allowed to check for DUI.
No "show me your papers" bull shite. Just, "this dude seem drunk?...……..no...……..move along"
Even then, a stretch for me but shite, at least then it would be honest
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:33 am to ShortyRob
Gun registration would not keep any law abiding citizen from owning a gun yet would greatly reduce firearm deaths.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:34 am to mmcgrath
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Gun registration would not keep any law abiding citizen from owning a gun yet would greatly reduce firearm deaths.
You really are not a smart person. Its kinda sad
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:34 am to mmcgrath
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Gun registration would not keep any law abiding citizen from owning a gun yet would greatly reduce firearm deaths.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:35 am to mmcgrath
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from owning a gun yet would greatly reduce firearm deaths.
Boyz in da hood will magically stop killing their neighbors?
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:35 am to mmcgrath
Reducing the speed limit to 35 would save thousands of lives.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:38 am to ShortyRob
Inanimate objects are not the problem. Humans are the problem, always have been, always will be. We need a zero tolerance for humans that cannot or will not act civilized.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:44 am to Homesick Tiger
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Good post Shorty. I don't put a lot of stock into someone who espouses they have no problem with aborting a potential human being and in the same breathe chastise people who might possess an instrument that can take that potential human being once it is a human being.
Even weirder is the pro abortion crowd being anti death penalty.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 11:03 am to mmcgrath
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Gun registration would not keep any law abiding citizen from owning a gun yet would greatly reduce firearm deaths.
I’m sure the El Paso guy who drove 600 mile and walked into a public place wielding a gun and killed 18 people... would have said “I want to go kill some people. But darn it... this gun is registered. I guess I’ll go help some poor people instead”. Totally see that happening. 600 mile drive. No bid deal. Facing 18 counts of murder no big deal. But dat gun registration! Total game changer. 
Posted on 8/4/19 at 11:07 am to FooManChoo
Exactly. I actually rarely see open carry in big cities
Posted on 8/4/19 at 11:09 am to ShortyRob
quote:Every irrational law needs irrational fear to make it palatable to the masses.
The "because you might die in an explosion" part is just to make you let them do it.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 12:14 pm to ShortyRob
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It is on this issue and, liberals are far and away, much bigger single variable thinkers. That's just reality.
I think that's a broad over-generalization, I know plenty of conservatives that are pretty much one-issue voters, whether it's abortion, guns or taxes.
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1)No amount of crime reduction will appease the anti-gun people
They are a small minority. The key is to stop them from appealing to the ignorant middle.
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2. There's no such thing as "rational" legislation to these people.
Again, t's not about changing the extremists, it's about minimizing their appeal.
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there's no real difference between 3000 murders a year and 365 murders a year.
Not to the extremists, no. But it matters to the vast majority of Americans. If they feel threatened, they will act. If they don't, they will be indifferent. Actions like yesterday tend to make the middle start to feel threatened.
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They're chasing zero. We can't achieve zero. So. Nothing we do at all will change the argument.
If that's your final answer, you're a part of the problem.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 2:12 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I think that's a broad over-generalization, I know plenty of conservatives that are pretty much one-issue voters, whether it's abortion, guns or taxes
One issue isn't single variable thinking. Single variable thinking is when you identify a negative. Let's say car accidents. And then you decide that any and all actions taken that result in fewer car accidents are actions that should be taken because you are incapable of considering variables other than the car accident. You are incapable of considering that the actions taken to stop the car accident might be worse in severity or scope than the car accident
quote:how do you conclude they are a minority? I have literally never had a conversation with someone wanting more gun control who told me that if they got it and gun crime continued they wouldn't ask for more. They're chasing zero. Every last one of them
They are a small minority. The key is to stop them from appealing to the ignorant middle
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Not to the extremists, no. But it matters to the vast majority of Americans.
This simply isn't true and the facts on it speak for themselves. Gun crime has gone down dramatically down in the last 30 years and I strongly doubt that there is a single person who was fighting for gun control laws 30 years ago that isn't still fighting for more of them today
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